Posts by tfjw

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Explosive device went off in Exeter, Devon

by Caedes in

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/7416040.stm.

i dont know if anyone has posted this yet, mrs caedes and i were in exeter yesterday.

it looks like the only person injured was the mentally ill man who had planted the bombs.

Society offers free ringtones

by tfjw in

society offers free ringtones to get new members, and upcoming article on how christians should avoid those evil dentists.

http://theocraticstudies.org/

Update: The site I linked to was supposed to be taken care of by my grandson as a parody but he has other obligations that were unexpected. Instead, I will be using it to be posting my old talks (he he he) and critiques of WT publications.

If a site moderator wishes to remove this thread completely that would be good. My apologies for any confusion.

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this is stupid

by bite me in

okay, so this weekends weather has been a bit crazy, especially in california; twisters geez.

anyway, i heard some people talking how this weekends weather rain, no rain , back to rain and no rain again is a sure sign of the end being nearer.

so if it would be hot as it was last week, would it have been a sure sign too?

tfjw

Wasn't supposed to rain but we got some sprinkles. It made me think I should immediately turn to the pages of the Revelation Climax book and see if there was a message about that. Now I just feel dirty.

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WT: "Now the time to obey"

by tfjw in

wt: "now the time to obey".

excerpts from watchtower 8/15/53 .

"the following was delivered by the president of the watch tower bible and tract society before the new world society assembly of jehovahs witnesses at yankee stadium, new york city, n.y., monday afternoon, july 20, 1953.

tfjw

BTW, it appears (buzzword) that the Watchtower ark has sprung a leak.

Patching up holes in the old cracked Tower with bubble gum theology can only last so long. Problem is, the bubblegum keeps changing colors but it lost its flavor a long time ago.

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WT: "Now the time to obey"

by tfjw in

wt: "now the time to obey".

excerpts from watchtower 8/15/53 .

"the following was delivered by the president of the watch tower bible and tract society before the new world society assembly of jehovahs witnesses at yankee stadium, new york city, n.y., monday afternoon, july 20, 1953.

tfjw

OK, a few more before I head out for a picnic with the family.

Truth does not contradict itself or deny the facts. It does not go contrary to reality... It does not change because of location or time. The truth is provable by actual fact. The truth endures, persists, because it is genuine, actually existing, in harmony with reality. (Things in Which it is Impossible for God to Lie, p. 22)

If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now; But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New light" never extinguishes older "light," but adds to it... (Watch Tower, Feb, 1881, p.3)

It is a serious matter to represent God and Christ in one way, then find that our understanding of the major teachings and fundamental doctrines of the Scriptures was in error, and then after that, to go back to the very doctrines that, by years of study, we had thoroughly determined to be in error. Christians cannot be vacillating-'wishy-washy'-about such fundamental teachings. What confidence can one put in the sincerity or judgment of such persons? (Watchtower 1976 May 15 p.298)

God uses The Watchtower to communicate to his people; it does not consist of men's opinions. (WT 1/1/1942 p. 5)

We resolve that we shall obey all instruction received from the Watch Tower, knowing that such proceed from the higher powers, Jehovah God and Christ Jesus. We resolve to be completely obedient to the Society as the visible part of the Great Theocracy. (Watchtower, Feb. 1, 1940 p.47)

Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind.. Since 1879 the Watch Tower magazine has been used by this collective group to dispense spiritual food regularly to those of this 'little flock' of true Christians.. Jehovah poured out his spirit upon them and assigned them the responsibility of serving as his sole visible channel, through whom alone spiritual instruction was to come. Those who recognize Jehovah's visible theocratic organization, therefore, must recognize and accept this appointment of the 'faithful and discreet slave' and be submissive to it.. Make haste to identify the visible theocratic organization of God that represents his king, Jesus Christ. It is essential for life.. in submitting to Jehovah's visible theocratic organization, we must be in full and complete agreement with every feature of its apostolic procedure and requirements. (Watchtower, Oct. 1 1967 pp. 587-92)

That they [Jehovah's Witness] must adhere absolutely to the decisions and scriptural understandings of the Society because God has given it this authority over his people. (Watchtower, May 1, 1972, p. 272)

Avoid independent thinking...questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization. (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 22)

If he is a false prophet, his prophecy will fail to come to pass. (Watchtower, 5/15/30)

The difference between a true and a false prophet is that one is speaking the word of the Lord and the other is speaking his own dreams and guesses. (Watchtower, May 15, 1930, p. 45) - 1914, 1925, 1975, etc.

Jehovah, the God of the true prophets, will put all false prophets to shame either by not fulfilling the false prediction of such self-assuming prophets or by having His own predictions fulfilled in a way opposite to that predicted by the false prophets. (Paradise Restored to Mankind - by Theocracy, p. 47- WBTS 1972)

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WT: "Now the time to obey"

by tfjw in

wt: "now the time to obey".

excerpts from watchtower 8/15/53 .

"the following was delivered by the president of the watch tower bible and tract society before the new world society assembly of jehovahs witnesses at yankee stadium, new york city, n.y., monday afternoon, july 20, 1953.

tfjw

While most of the quotes above are from older publications, they still use similar language, especially in the convention and assembly talks. Here's a few more:

"those who do not submit to God's rule will be cut off." (Does God Really Care About Us?, 1992)

"must suffer the execution of Jehovah's righteous judgments" (Revelation - Its Grand Climax At Hand!, 1988)

"Those who choose to be independent of the Creator will be cut off" (Life - How Did It Get Here?, 1985)

"Jehovah will destroy the bad ones who do not change." (Enjoy Life on Earth Forever!, 1982)

This is mostly by using fear tactics and control more on a local level with pressure from elders, etc.

The fear tactics used back when the book "From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained" was published scared a lot of young people into the organization. That was before the 1960's. There hasn't been a lot of change in the use of fear tactics, only now it seems to be a bit more subtle with "hints" of the pending doom of all apostates, worldy people, world governments, etc. The stuff in the Paradise Lost/Regained book would make for good material on building a script for a thriller sci-fi movie.

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WT: "Now the time to obey"

by tfjw in

wt: "now the time to obey".

excerpts from watchtower 8/15/53 .

"the following was delivered by the president of the watch tower bible and tract society before the new world society assembly of jehovahs witnesses at yankee stadium, new york city, n.y., monday afternoon, july 20, 1953.

tfjw

Yep, I'm one of those who still living who accepted that rubbish back then. I was born into this and believed it whole souled. "Jehovah's organization" was the only way to salvation. Blehhkh!

We survived before the ark crashed by getting out.

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WT: "Now the time to obey"

by tfjw in

wt: "now the time to obey".

excerpts from watchtower 8/15/53 .

"the following was delivered by the president of the watch tower bible and tract society before the new world society assembly of jehovahs witnesses at yankee stadium, new york city, n.y., monday afternoon, july 20, 1953.

tfjw

From the June 1, 1965 Watchtower magazine, in the "Questions from Readers", we have this quote: "if an organization is to be fully theocratic it must be directed and controlled altogether by God or by the forces that he operates."

What are these "forces that he operates"? The governing body?

"So, after Jehovah came to his temple in 1918, he began to restore this fully theocratic arrangement and to put into effect stricter controls on the visible organization. It was a gradual process; so it was not until 1932 that the untheocratic, democratic method of voting men into eldership was stopped."

"Untheocratic"? - Does this mean that the organization wasn't "ruled by God" prior to 1932? It wasn't "theocratic" back then? Since Jehovah had to "restore this fully theocratic organization" does that mean that he lost control of it?

"This strengthening of theocratic controls continued over a period of twenty years, from 1918 to 1938" - more control.

"Jehovah's organization must henceforth be guided and directed by Jehovah's spirit through the visible governing body ... Jehovah's theocratic government is now in full control of the people of God." - more control.

"New features of the work have required new methods, which has meant revisions and changes from time to time in organization instructions, but it is all a part of the advancement of Jehovah's theocratically controlled organization under the immediate direction of Jehovah God himself. Therefore, these revisions and changes are themselves fully theocratic, so they do not alter in any way the fully theocratic structure of the organization." - This "new work" is referred to as the worldwide building work, gaining new members, etc. Does that really make any sense at all?

"Work in unity with the organization as a whole. Draw all the good out of whatever reproofs are administered to you for your proper conduct. Carry out instructions with all respect for the great 'mother' organization." (Wt 10/1/50). - Mother always did know best.

And one of the worse quotes I've seen so far: "To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary to obey the organization that he is personally directing. Doing what the organization says is to do what he says. Resisting the organization is to resist him." (Wt 5/1/59)

From the Watchtower magazine 10/1/90: "it is important that we follow the instructions God gives us through his Word, the Bible, and his earthly organization."

- Stephen

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WT: "Now the time to obey"

by tfjw in

wt: "now the time to obey".

excerpts from watchtower 8/15/53 .

"the following was delivered by the president of the watch tower bible and tract society before the new world society assembly of jehovahs witnesses at yankee stadium, new york city, n.y., monday afternoon, july 20, 1953.

tfjw

WT: "Now the time to obey"

Excerpts from Watchtower 8/15/53

"The following was delivered by the president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society before the New World Society Assembly of Jehovah’s Witnesses at Yankee Stadium, New York city, N.Y., Monday afternoon, July 20, 1953."

"NOW THE TIME TO OBEY"

"The setting up of a visible kingdom over the Israelites meant newer arrangements for them, with more specific instructions given to them and more demands made upon them. It meant a tightening up of the national organization, their feeling the ruler’s power and authority more."

"If we have faith in the Kingdom, if we are lovingly loyal to God’s anointed King, we shall be glad to obey his instructions and arrangements through his visible theocratic organization. The Kingdom means tighter organization for God’s people on earth. This is vitally necessary if we are to stand up against the combined forces of the enemy and overcome this world. No one can go it alone, and the King will not go it alone with such an individualist. He goes with his flock, his organized subjects. If we refuse organization instructions, if we forsake the gathering of ourselves together to avoid organization and its obligations, where could we go after Armageddon?"

"For anyone to forsake the organized congregation of those who are destined to survive Armageddon means for that one never to get past Armageddon into the New World and its theocratic system. Like Noah’s family, we must now get into the ark all together!"

(Bold/red emphasis added)

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Watchtower records

by bereanbiblestudent in

is their an interest in recordings of rutherford/grant suiter/knorr recordings?.

i have several original records including some i have not seen on the internet.. before i would release them i would like to know if their is a public for them.. .

tfjw

jaydee said:
Absolutely make them available if you can please. I have about 100 of those 78's, but quite a few doubles. So I too would like the ones that I don't have already. I also have a CD with a good number of the Rutherford records on it somewhere. Maybe I should try to post that somehow. the file would be huge though.

There's a really good free service available at http://www.4shared.com. I think you can get around 1 to 5 gigs of stuff on there with the free account... not sure. 1 gig is a lot of space.