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  Reply to Prodigal Son e-mail

  by skeeder in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i sent an e-mail to someone with points showing how jw's miss the point of the parable.

  i won't post it but if anyone wants to read it, you can pm me.. here is the reply from a supposed loyal , faithful witness.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------.

  i have had your email in my inbox for awhile now, and today i just had the chance to read it.

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  skeeder

  You know they have some sembelance of scriptual support for this pratice?

  Actually the Prod Son wasn't DF'd.

  My point is the reinstatement process does not resemble in principle the way the father dealt with him.

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  Reply to Prodigal Son e-mail

  by skeeder in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i sent an e-mail to someone with points showing how jw's miss the point of the parable.

  i won't post it but if anyone wants to read it, you can pm me.. here is the reply from a supposed loyal , faithful witness.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------.

  i have had your email in my inbox for awhile now, and today i just had the chance to read it.

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  skeeder

  I sent an e-mail to someone with points showing how JW's miss the point of the parable. I won't post it but if anyone wants to read it, you can pm me.

  Here is the reply from a supposed loyal , faithful Witness.

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  I have had your email in my inbox for awhile now, and today I just had the chance to read it. I must say that I find it somewhat cowardly how you have attacked my religious beliefs while maintaining your aninimity. I don't have a lot of time to reason with unreasonable people so I will be very brief. You come from the pretend "Christian" churches that follow christ's example only in word. But in reality you're actions prove that you're in no way christian. If you were familiar with the scriptures you would know that the practice of disfellowshipping is a practice that we were advised to practice. 1 Cor. 5:11, Ecc. 9:18, 1 Cor. 5:13. Jesus himself even rebuked the congregation in Thyatira for tolerating a woman named Jezebel. Rev. 2:20. Know too that noone is disfellowshipped from the congregation for any reason other than unrepentance. I know that none of this matters to you. Even if you are confronted with the obvious fact that disfellowshipping is how the bible tells us to correct ones and keep the congregation pure, you will still say it is wrong because you are weak. You are no doubt a fine christian until the heat gets turned up. Then you are a coward. Your religious practices are all an act. I want to point out too that you have missed the entire point of the story of the prodigal son. The prodigal son was welcomed back to his father's household AFTER he had changed his ways. That's the whole point of the parable. Do you think the father would have been so happy to greet his son if he had showed up staggering drunk with a prostitute on his arm? Come on. Do you not see how twisted your logic is? You should speak to someone who has been disfellowshipped and then welcomed back into the congregation after making changes in their lives. More often than not they will tell you that it was the best thing that could have happened to them. Still, this is not the main point. The reason that Jehovah's Witnesses practice this is because God tells us to. I think we'll follow his guidance and not yours. I hope that you can someday get past your hatred for Jehovah's Witnesses, and your overall bitterness in general.
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  Noah's preaching--"they took no note"

  by skeeder in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the bible calls noah a preacher of righteousness.

  however, it gives no indication that he undertook a global campaign to warn people of a coming flood of which they 'took no note'.. in gen chap 6 god gave noah very detailed instructions about building the ark.

  in 6:18 and 7:1 he gave specific instructions about who to take into the ark.

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  skeeder

  The Bible calls Noah a preacher of righteousness. However, it gives no indication that he undertook a global campaign to warn people of a coming flood of which they 'took no note'.

  In Gen chap 6 God gave Noah very detailed instructions about building the ark. In 6:18 and 7:1 he gave specific instructions about who to take into the ark. No instructions were given to Noah about warning anyone that they too should get on board with him.

  The judging had already been done and Noah was chosen to be saved because he was a righteous man. Hebrews 11:7 shows that Noah built the ark 'for the saving of his household'--not anyone else.

  So while Noah was a 'preacher of righteousness' this may refer to his preaching righteousness before the matter of the flood ever came up. This may have contributed to his being chosen to be saved.

  Is it even practical that Noah could have set out on a global mission to get people into the ark? He needed to use his time to build it.

  Since the size of the ark had already been determined , it seems unlikely that God intended for other people to join Noah.MATTHEW 24:39

  Matthew 24:39------ and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away. . .NEW WORLD TRANS

  Almost any Bible you pick up indicates that people were not expecting the flood----not that were ignoring noah's warning.

  It is notewothy that the Kingdom Interlinear Bible published by Jehovah's Witnesses renders the Greek "not they knew" but the English "they took no note". Is there not a difference in not knowing something and taking no note of something you know?

  Other Bibles say: were unaware--knew not--did not understand--knew nothing about what was happening--didn't know anything was happening--knew nothing about what would happen--didn't realize what was going to happen--did not know--they knew nothing

  This fits in perfectly with the context and the point Jesus was making. His point was that his return would come as a surprise; not announced beforehand. This becomes apparent by considering Luke's account. Luke 17:28 says "likewise" and compares the days of Noah with the days of Lot------sudden unexpected destruction as they were eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting and building. There is no indication of a warning work before the destruction of Sodom.

  Jesus said in vs 30 :"The same way it will be on that day when the Son of man is to be revealed"

  Notice Kingdom song # 215ExtendingMercytoOthers

  1. When Jehovah decreed that a deluge

  Should destroy wicked men long ago,

  Then to Noah he gave a commission:

  ‘Build an ark! Preach the word! Let men know!’

  Now, did Noah reject that assignment,

  Since he never had built arks before?

  No, but he made good use of God’s mercy,

  And he built and

  he preached more and more.

  Where in the Bible do we find this commission? Or that he 'preached more and more'?

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  I know another poster!!!

  by purplesofa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think this poster and i met online in 2001. early 2002, a jw girlfriend of mine came over from australia, i had a "get-together" at my house for some of us chatters from about.com.

  i think that is where we chatted then.

  i am not sure if it was shut down at that time or not.

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  skeeder

  I am happy for you, purps.

  I have been around here for almost 4 yrs, & I keep hoping to have the same experience.

  God bless

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  I know another poster!!!

  by purplesofa in

  1. jw
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  i think this poster and i met online in 2001. early 2002, a jw girlfriend of mine came over from australia, i had a "get-together" at my house for some of us chatters from about.com.

  i think that is where we chatted then.

  i am not sure if it was shut down at that time or not.

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  I know another poster!!!

  by purplesofa in

  1. jw
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  i think this poster and i met online in 2001. early 2002, a jw girlfriend of mine came over from australia, i had a "get-together" at my house for some of us chatters from about.com.

  i think that is where we chatted then.

  i am not sure if it was shut down at that time or not.

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  Help needed: Killing the 'The light gets brighter' argument?

  by jah1914 in

  1. watchtower
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  so after the revelation study last night where the paragraph was talking about how russell's interpertation of revelation basically didn't work and got discarded, my wife comments with the same old,"the light gets brigther, that's why i respect fds because at least they will change when they figure out something is wrong.

  " (insert vomit here) afterwards, me and the book study conductor(i have to at least give him credit, he is someone i can talk to freely about my questions and he has not,as of yet, turned me in) got into a discussion of what 'the light gets brighter' really means.

  he basically says so the brothers have made changes, so what?

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  skeeder

  The GB claims to get their direction from Jesus (actually most of the time you hear about Jehovah using the FDS with Jesus not even getting honorable mention.)

  True, he did say that he had things to tell them that they were not ready for, but I can't think of one time when Jesus gave direction to his followers, then later had to change it because he got a clearer understanding.

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  A LETTER TO MY NEWS PAPER...........

  by vitty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i tried cut and paste a letter but it wont come up.

  i thought i would write a letter to my local paper and i was wondering what you all thought of it.. .

  dear editor.

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  skeeder

  I love it!

  Will they print it if you do not give your name and address?

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  Thanks for the support, but MY HUSBAND and THE BROTHERS WANT ME BACK

  by AWAKE&WATCHING in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the hell with that.

  my husband came to my store today telling me that we are so close to the end now, he can tell by all the changes in meetings.

  you know the kool-aid edition and time frames etc.

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  skeeder

  ((((((((((((((((((((((((A&W))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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  Refuting the Practice of Shunning

  by Dead Man Joaquin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower claims that the practice of shunning is/was:.

  1) scripturally tenable;.

  2) practiced by early christians.. .

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  skeeder

  These footnotes show that the original Greek called for the same action in these 2 scriptures.

  But, JW's allow for talking to the Thess. person while completely ignoring the Cor. person; calling one 'marking' and the other 'DF'.

  The original Greek does not make this distinction.

  Even if they want to use John's words about greetings as a basis to ignore the person, John wrote 40 some years later. What were Christians to do for those 40+ years?

  Footnotes in NWT

  2 Thessalonians 3:14 Lit., "not to mix up selves with."

  1 Corinthians 5:11 Lit., "not to be mixing selves up with

  2 Thessalonians 3: 14 But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked, stop associating with him, that he may become ashamed. 15 And yet do not be considering him as an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother.

  1 Corinthians 5: 11 But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with ................