Posts by marmot

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Evil JW tortured children WARNING: Graphic Descriptions

by Nemesis in

i just found this very disturbing new article.

heres the link, but these links dont last long on the mails site, so here is the text if the link goes down:.

link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=443589&in_page_id=1770&ct=5.

marmot

Do you have a reference on that, candidlynuts?

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2007- Witness Meetings= Why can't women wear pants/trousers??

by Witness 007 in

when my mum went to her first meeting she was dressed to perfection, she wore nice ladies dress trouser/pants.

the witness stuying with her told her it was "not apropriate" to wear this to the meeting...in 2006 i was in a congregation where a sister would put a skirt on over her pants she wore to work.

it looked weird, but the pants ban still is in force 2007.

Wear a Dashiki. In my last cong there were a number of brothers from Nigeria and other parts of Africa that wore them because they're considered dress wear in their home congregations and nothing beats them in hot weather.

It's basically a loose-fitting airy open-necked robe worn over light trousers and optional headgear. A (non-african, white as a cottonball) friend of mine bought one and successfully wore it to meetings but I don't think he was allowed onstage with it.

Of course, I've been fed up with the "society's" unwritten talmud of pharisaical rules for a while now so I could care less if they mandated lederhosen onstage.

Show me in the bible that men must wear ties when preaching the word or that shorts are un-christian attire when going out for supper after an assembly.

Freakin' load of crap.

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Evil JW tortured children WARNING: Graphic Descriptions

by Nemesis in

i just found this very disturbing new article.

heres the link, but these links dont last long on the mails site, so here is the text if the link goes down:.

link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=443589&in_page_id=1770&ct=5.

marmot

That's a sick puppy regardless of JW affiliation or not.

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Cain and Abel - where did they get the idea of a burnt offering?

by truthseeker in

it has always puzzled me why abel, a herder of sheep, would want to kill his own animals to offer them up to god.. prior to the flood, it would be fair to say that no one ate meat.

maybe they did, maybe they didn't, but assuming that meat.

was not eaten, why would abel's offering be better than cain's offering?.

marmot

Aye, there's the rub. "These are stories..."

I don't believe any of the first few chapters of Genesis was fact, but simply embellished folklore for the moral instruction of its readers. If you go by a literal interpretation, God was the first arms dealer. After all, he put "a flaming sword" in front of the entrance to the garden of Eden, right? Or did Adam invent swords prior to that and God thought it was a neat idea?

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Newsweek/Washington Post on JWs - Make Your Comment!

by V in

please comment on the actual site, give a witness!.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/willis_e_elliott/2007/09/freedom_to_speak_courage_to_wi.html.

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marmot

Reply to what? That was the most bring piece of writing I've ever been subjected to, and I've read both first AND second Chronicles.

My brain was shutting down in self defense after every long-winded rambling paragraph.

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Tomorrow will be one of the PROUDEST days of my life.

by nicolaou in

iv'e been posting here a long time but here's something i never shared before .

i'm still a window cleaner.

i'm not going to rant at the 'society' because they don't own my anger anymore but my work is certainly a legacy of my cult past.

marmot

Good on ya. I always wonder what my Dad would have been capable of. He once confided in me that he would have like to go to University to become an engineer.

Instead he pioneered, washed windows, had four kids and lived most of his life in debt 'cause "Armageddon was just around the bend."

Funny, I remember starting my first day of kindergarten way back in 1988 and when I asked about the high-schoolers next door my mom told me not to worry about that "because the new system will be here before you're in high school."

Graduated almost a decade ago now...

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Do those of you "born into the truth" have problems with relationships?

by marmot in

i'm a 4th generation dub and i was the epitome of a goodie-two-shoes elder's son.

i was taught/brainwashed that dating was evil and only for mature brothers (i distinctly remember a part on the assembly with a "demonstration" that said even 24 years old was too young to date and you should concentrate on becoming a ms or pioneer first) and went through so much soul-destroying guilt because of the society's utterly ridiculous stance on masturbation that it almost drove me to suicide.

didn't help that my father the elder had a massive porn stash.

marmot

Sorry for the huge paragraph, all my formatting seems to have been lost. How do I add line breaks and other stuff?

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Do those of you "born into the truth" have problems with relationships?

by marmot in

i'm a 4th generation dub and i was the epitome of a goodie-two-shoes elder's son.

i was taught/brainwashed that dating was evil and only for mature brothers (i distinctly remember a part on the assembly with a "demonstration" that said even 24 years old was too young to date and you should concentrate on becoming a ms or pioneer first) and went through so much soul-destroying guilt because of the society's utterly ridiculous stance on masturbation that it almost drove me to suicide.

didn't help that my father the elder had a massive porn stash.

marmot

I'm a 4th generation dub and I was the epitome of a goodie-two-shoes elder's son. I was taught/brainwashed that dating was evil and only for mature brothers (I distinctly remember a part on the assembly with a "demonstration" that said even 24 years old was too young to date and you should concentrate on becoming a MS or pioneer first) and went through so much soul-destroying guilt because of the society's utterly ridiculous stance on masturbation that it almost drove me to suicide. Didn't help that my father the elder had a massive porn stash.

Heck, I think the main thing that drove me to baptism at age 12 was to get a "clean slate" before God because of my "unclean habit"...yeah, THAT lasted all of of two weeks.

All the younger ones around me in the congregation that were dating and getting married early were supposed to be "bad association" so I was further and further forced into an unnatural, unhealthy frame of mind. Once I started college I tried to break free but, unfortunately, the elder's daughter I fell in love with was just as brainwashed and she broke my heart, badly. More depression and attempted suicide. I changed congregations and tried to get all whipped up into a zealous frenzy again, even ignoring the very troubling doubts I was having regarding some of the Society's teachings, but depression (now properly diagnosed as Bipolar II disorder) would regularly set in and prevent me from doing as much as the brothers wanted me to. Then, the C.O. visit put a nice big cherry on my shit sunday when he used the local needs talk to basically tell the young sisters not to date anyone who wasn't a MS. He was hoping to grab the young brothers by their balls to get them motivated to "reach out" but for me - who couldn't put in the hours of hypocritical field service or fake the talks on the platform anymore - it pushed me over the edge.

I tried my best to get disfellowshipped last summmer - smoked pot, lived with worldly people all summer, didn't go to a single meeting, drank myself stupid - but I convinced myself to come back for the sake of my family and sat through hours of humiliating elder's meetings to show repentance. Ironically, the one thing I didn't do last summer was immorality. My upbringing and previous experiences opening my heart up to a girl has left me severely dysfunctional when it comes to relationships.

Even now that I'm almost done fading out again, I can't bring myself to ask a girl out. I'm twenty five and haven't so much as held a girl's hand, let alone kiss or anything past that.

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Revelation weekly Book study review

by still_in74 in

oompa said: still_in74 you have so much passion for truth at climax study that i demand that you post your observations post bookstudy every week!

so when i comment i can say "oh yes, the issue of government was a burning issue of the day because it says so right here in the paragraph, so thats what this prophecy in revelation means!).

there's what the falling star means !

marmot

How do you comment at the bookstudy? I honestly can't even bring myself to raise my hand to read a scripture because I'm so discouraged at the far-fetched interpretations being made, and this inactivity from a once-prolific commenter is raising suspicions. I'm trying to keep up appearances for my parents sake but they're the only thing keeping me from outright leaving.

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Transcript Of My KH's Discussion Of Sept. 2007 KM QFR

by Justitia Themis in

elder.

bro.

marmot

Hi, first time poster here. I just thought I'd comment briefly that I disagreed with the KM question box discussed at last night's service meeting. It stung because I'd been doing some research into the issue of the flood and when I finally got the guts to bring up my concern, I was shown this question box sort of as a "cease and desist and trust in Jehovah" court order. I was told to read the Insight book and study the WT CD to answer my questions about why the society clings to an interpretation of the Noachian deluge that is completely impossible to substantiate with science. Trust me, I've read and re-read all that the society has ever written on the subject of the flood and none of it was convincing. Now, I'm being practically labelled a "rebel" who refuses to trust in Jehovah for doubting what I know to be outright wrong. As an aside, the transcript originally posted above of the service meeting KM discussion was downright tame compared to the Orwellian seven-minute hate that took place last night at the hall. People were practically spitting into the microphone with venom and talking in exasperated tones about how they "couldn't believe that people would be so ingrateful to Jehovah." I just kept my Bible open to 1 John 4:1 the entire time and clenched my jaw shut.