Now that I'm free to bet, I figured it would be neat to start a pool on when the Watchtower is going to change light bulbs on the prophecy about the United Nations turning on worldwide religion.
There is no doubt in my mind that this prediction will be dropped. Not only is this the longest-running unchanged prediction in the WT's history (1925 and 1975 had much shorter gestations) it's the last detailed concrete prediction the society has left in its bag of tricks. They've already admitted that Jesus' "composite sign" has been going for almost a century and the 1914 generation doctrine has been effectively neutered. It must also sting that their last Kingdom News on false religion (that also had a nice color picture of the wild beast, but no explanation) fizzled so spectacularly.
It's quite telling that the witnesses aren't encouraged to use this prediction in the field ministry. It seems like it would be a surefire way to get people to convert, just tell them to watch for when the UN turns on religion and then come join. Fact is, the society doesn't emphasize it because it doesn't want to look like a bunch of dumbasses when the governing body changes its tune. You have to admit you'd look like a complete crackpot trying to tell the masses that the inept, corrupt and hopelessly bureaucratic United Nations is going to destroy organized religion and bring about the end of the world. That's why that little tidbit is only saved for the bookstudy, which a large proportion of dubs miss anyway.
One only has to examine the history of the Watchtower to see that every single one of their big detailed predictions bombed. Even 1914 had to be amended after the fact (nearly three decades later) to make it a "spiritual fulfillment". After all, this prophecy was first put forward in the early 60s back when the UN was still young and idealistic, unlike today's international muppet show.
I have $5 on them getting a flash of light within the next ten years and telling us that the events in Revelation have already happened, on a spiritual level.
Now somebody teach me how a betting pool works.
marmot
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Bets on when the UN prophecy will be dropped?
by marmot innow that i'm free to bet, i figured it would be neat to start a pool on when the watchtower is going to change light bulbs on the prophecy about the united nations turning on worldwide religion.
there is no doubt in my mind that this prediction will be dropped.
not only is this the longest-running unchanged prediction in the wt's history (1925 and 1975 had much shorter gestations) it's the last detailed concrete prediction the society has left in its bag of tricks.
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What is with the JW hate towards the depressed?
by 5go inwhy do they treat the like the have sinned a great sin ( oh wait i might of answered it doh!
) when they are just down a bit..
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marmot
All I know is that when I was hospitalized for my first suicide attempt the only visitors I got were my parents.
The most acknowledgment I ever got was when I went to my first meeting after getting out and one of the elders came up and said "Hey *******, nice to see you! You know, I just found out about what you were in the hospital for. Yeaaaaaaah. (awkward silence as he stares off to the left) Well it's great to see you!"
Honestly, I think they're just scared to confront it. I mean, how could you be unhappy, we're Jehovah's happy people right!? -
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So...I got duped today!
by lovelylil ini am one of those people who always gives money to those who ask me on the street.
the reason is because there was a time when i was a kid that my siblings and i needed to beg on the street for food money because mom and dad were both addicts.. anyway, i was on my way into walmart and a lady stopped me and asked if i could give her a few dollars ($5 to be exact) so that she could pick up a prescription for some medicine.
she explained that she and her kids have been sick with bronchitis and although the kids were better she was not and had run out of money until her check came on the first of the month.. i can also sympethize with having to wait for government checks to buy what you need having grown up on state welfare programs and i reasoned that $5 is nothing for me and my husband because combined we bring in over six figures a year income.
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marmot
I've been scammed many times because I'm too trusting and I have a big heart. To cut down on outright fabrications, though, I'll usually offer to help them do whatever it is they need to do. The phonies usually back down after this.
For example, if they're asking for change to call a cab because their car broke down I'll offer to give them a lift (I've yet to get taken up on this one). If they're begging for change to get something to eat then I'll bring them into a burger king or whatever and get them whatever they want.
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Why Did You Get Baptized?
by Open mind injws are officially told the "right" reason for baptism is a heart motivated out of love and appreciation for all jehovah has done combined with the desire to please him.
now let's get real.
be honest.
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marmot
Because I was a horny 12-year old wracked with guilt over masturbation and I thought this would give me a "clean slate" before god.
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Photos of Big Foot on Associated Press Just Days Ago!!!!!
by Lady Liberty indear friends, "happy tuesday",.
just found this article and photo that was taken from a hunter just days ago.
certainly doesn't look like any bear i have ever seen!!.
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marmot
Occam's razor, my friend. Occam's razor.
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Photos of Big Foot on Associated Press Just Days Ago!!!!!
by Lady Liberty indear friends, "happy tuesday",.
just found this article and photo that was taken from a hunter just days ago.
certainly doesn't look like any bear i have ever seen!!.
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marmot
Those of you who think it's a chimp need to click on the link I posted before. It's a juvenile bear with mange.
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Photos of Big Foot on Associated Press Just Days Ago!!!!!
by Lady Liberty indear friends, "happy tuesday",.
just found this article and photo that was taken from a hunter just days ago.
certainly doesn't look like any bear i have ever seen!!.
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marmot
You've never seen a juvenile bear with mange, then. :)
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The Young Witness Generation
by choosing life ini have seen in the last few months five young marriages break up where i live.
they were all married less than two years.
is this just a local thing or are others seeing it in their neck of the woods?
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marmot
My best friend got married really young and divorced not even two years later. Frikkin' bonehead was already chasing skirts looking for a new one just 4 months later.
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Was the WTS correct?
by chappy inbased on current events, do you think the wts could be at least partially correct on their prediction about organized religion being banned by many governments or even some future un mandate?
what about the western governments (us, britain, france, germany etc)?
think it could or even may happen?
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marmot
It seems like this is the last remaining hard-core "prediction" interpretation of bible prophecy that the Watchtower society has left. All their other prophecies have vague fulfillments that could take many different forms but there's no mincing words when you say that the United Nations is going to turn on organized religion and kick off the end of the world.
It would appear that such a detailed prediction would make it easy for apostates to change their tune once they saw it being fulfilled, not to mention the witnesses would finally have concrete evidence to use in the field ministry to convince people that they were right.
An examination of the WTBTS history will show, however, that their biggest predictions did NOT come to pass as foretold, and that it was only years after the fact that "new light" showed them that the prophecies had already had a "spiritual fulfillment."
I see it as a certainty that this prediction will eventually be changed with "new light", but how would such a monumental change affect the rank and file? The Revelation book is being studied for what, the fourth time? Add to that the fact that the original interpretation of the UN being the image of the "wild beast" and false religion being "Babylon the Great" dates back to the early 60s and you've got one of the longest-held convictions of the WT society. The 1925 and 1975 dates were accepted doctrine for less time than that and they had a massive negative impact on the organization when they failed.
When (not if) they get rid of this prophetical interpretation there will no longer be a concrete and easily discerned "sign" for the average witness to recognize that the end of the world is here. After all, Jesus' "composite sign" of the end has supposedly been going on since the 1800s and the only other tangible sign they had (the 1914 generation) has just been extended indefinitely. -
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Two kinds of Witnesses--and explanation of the Governing Body
by B_Deserter ini've come to realize there are two kinds of witnesses: the idealists and the legalists.
the idealists are the typical rank and file.
they believe firmly in the ideal that the watchtower society is directed by god, and the motives of the jw clergy are nothing but spiritual.
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All the male members of my JW family are hard-core legalists and they really get people pissed off. I remember being so embarrassed as a 12-year old when we kept having to change tires on the side of the road after meetings and bookstudies because people kept propping nails up against the wheels.
I seem to be the only idealist, although I don't know about my uncle who DA'd when I was a toddler. I've been trying to track him down but my family won't give me any contact information.
