Posts by marmot

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God and Evolution

by BurnTheShips in

during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.

but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.

science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.

marmot

Ever see that two-part South Park episode where Cartman travels to a war-torn future where everyone is atheist? Hilarious episode and it pretty much encapsulates what you're trying to say.

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Your Cong = Which Songs or Band were "Demonic?" Did you toss albums?

by Witness 007 in

let me start = "kiss" stood for knights in satans service, "ac/dc" was anti-christ devils children.

"hotel california" was demonic who knew!

"yummy yummy yummy i've got love in my tummy.

I was listening to Beck once and my mom said it was demonic.

Another time one of my friends (not really a friend, but my age group) in the hall told me that my copy of Transmission by the Tea Party was demonized because his cousin once had the same album and threw it out the window in a pang of jw guilt, but when he went outside the shattered CD had allegedly pieced itself back together.

There was also a circuit assembly once where the C.O. (brother Charland, if any of you know him) specifically mentioned a number of groups by name with a disgusted look on his face. Some of these included Santana, Led Zeppelin, and a few other classic rock groups under the wonky premise that since the music had been composed with drug consumption in mind you were either a drug user yourself or you condoned it by your listening to it.

My dad went and cleaned out his record collection after that but he's since re-acquired most of them in CD form.

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To all those who think the WT uses deliberate "subliminal" images...

by marmot in

(okay, i know i said i'd be taking a break from jwd, and i will, but i just remembered something that i felt necessary to post here because it was bugging me) .

there are some of you out there who believe the governing body meticulously crafts subliminal images that are hidden throughout the society's literature.

you say that it is impossible for these to be mere accidents or just the work of sloppy artists because there is so much painstaking review and every image must be approved by the gb before being published.

marmot

(Okay, I know I said I'd be taking a break from JWD, and I WILL, but I just remembered something that I felt necessary to post here because it was bugging me)

There are some of you out there who believe the Governing Body meticulously crafts subliminal images that are hidden throughout the society's literature. You say that it is impossible for these to be mere accidents or just the work of sloppy artists because there is so much painstaking review and every image must be approved by the GB before being published.

To these people I say open your songbooks (if you still have them) to the back inside cover, where there is a two-page spread of Levites singing. Now look carefully at the right-hand page and try to trace all the feet to their corresponding heads. You'll notice that there is one set of pasty white feet that lead nowhere. In fact, they seem to share the same skirt with another set of feet.

Now tell me, all you who see nefarious plots in the WT imagery, is this is the result of careful artists and meticulous reviewers? No, it is just an amateur art department. Another example of bad art is Alexander the Great's sword in that otherwise pretty cool picture of him charging on a horse, found in the Daniel book. The way it meets the hilt is all crooked.

Now go look for pictures of the antichrist on your grilled cheese sandwiches or something you kooks.

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i found a pice of sublimnal art as a dubbie i'm shocked!

by XOCO in

you guys this has really freaked me out so much tonight as i was looking though my revelation book climax at hand i was looking to see where we had left off and i usually do this by seeing where i have stopped highlighting in the book.. so i started at pg 156 & 157 of the book so there were a bunch of marks on those two pages their are pics nothing special there.. but on page 159 their is a pic of jesus in the heavens where he is extending his handout to get a piece of paper and that's where i notice on the hand that were the wrinkles are supposed to be there is a face like a fetusnow i mean anybody can tell you that is a face of a baby.

i don't know why a baby on jesus hand or what it suppose to mean.

i guess it really shows how the control tower (watchtower) make me a jw feel really shitty.

marmot

I feel flattered, JCanon now thinks I'm part of the Illuminati.

Seriously dude, get help. I've got my own issues to deal with (Bipolar II) and I recognize when I need to get professional help. It works. Not 100% all of the time, but it does work.

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i found a pice of sublimnal art as a dubbie i'm shocked!

by XOCO in

you guys this has really freaked me out so much tonight as i was looking though my revelation book climax at hand i was looking to see where we had left off and i usually do this by seeing where i have stopped highlighting in the book.. so i started at pg 156 & 157 of the book so there were a bunch of marks on those two pages their are pics nothing special there.. but on page 159 their is a pic of jesus in the heavens where he is extending his handout to get a piece of paper and that's where i notice on the hand that were the wrinkles are supposed to be there is a face like a fetusnow i mean anybody can tell you that is a face of a baby.

i don't know why a baby on jesus hand or what it suppose to mean.

i guess it really shows how the control tower (watchtower) make me a jw feel really shitty.

marmot

Sunspot, I'm loath to go up against you, but tell me then what's the point?

Is a smooshed yellow fetus face in a hand supposed to mean something? I fail to see the purpose, nefarious or otherwise, of these so-called subliminal images. You're just seeing a face because the brain is good at picking out faces. Take a pen and randomly scribble around on a piece of paper for a minute or two then flip the paper around and look for faces in the lines, I guarantee you'll find a least one if not more. Did you intentionally draw them? No, but your brain knows how to pick them out.

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Wanting to just FREAKIN run away....I think I know why now...

by oompa in

jw
friends

the past year or so was year was really, really bad as i came to realize the waking up experience.

once i knew for sure wt was a sham, (although maybe sincere), i had this immediate feeling i would have to leave.....everything.

of course my wife was already going nuts from all my study, questions, doubts, letters to society, meetings with elders....but once i really knew and felt i would have to leave.... i did leave several times.

marmot

Already got a guitar and my dachshund says it's not ready for a relationship and wants to be "just friends".

My buddy in Sweden say that we'll go to Thailand or something and have some fun. My bank account put forth a strong counter-argument so that'll have to wait for a bit, though.

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i found a pice of sublimnal art as a dubbie i'm shocked!

by XOCO in

you guys this has really freaked me out so much tonight as i was looking though my revelation book climax at hand i was looking to see where we had left off and i usually do this by seeing where i have stopped highlighting in the book.. so i started at pg 156 & 157 of the book so there were a bunch of marks on those two pages their are pics nothing special there.. but on page 159 their is a pic of jesus in the heavens where he is extending his handout to get a piece of paper and that's where i notice on the hand that were the wrinkles are supposed to be there is a face like a fetusnow i mean anybody can tell you that is a face of a baby.

i don't know why a baby on jesus hand or what it suppose to mean.

i guess it really shows how the control tower (watchtower) make me a jw feel really shitty.

marmot

Just be careful, XOCO, JCanon is very interesting, oftentimes witty person but he also needs some help.

The brain is wired to distinguish facial patterns much in the same way it is wired to recognize proper grammar structure. Once you are given a set of criteria to look for, the brain will automatically recognize them and there's a very specific part of the brain that does this, the right middle fusiform gyrus.

JCanon claims to be Jesus Christ (J.C.anonymous, get it?) in part because of what he interpreted to be a face in that illustration from the Revelation climax book and because he saw a similar shape in a cloud, which he took to be a sign from heaven.

However, there are literally THOUSANDS of people who see religious symbols in everyday objects, that piece of grilled cheese sandwich with the virgin mary on it is one famous example, but would you claim divine provenance because of it?

If you notice, JCanon is also very paranoid about secret societies and conspiracies and he claims to have personally spoken with god. Taken separately, all of these symptoms might not point to much, but when you have delusions of grandeur, paranoia and auditory hallucinations (hearing voices) all in the same individual it's a sign of a mental disorder.

I have nothing against the man, and I think he's got a great personality, but he needs help.

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i found a pice of sublimnal art as a dubbie i'm shocked!

by XOCO in

you guys this has really freaked me out so much tonight as i was looking though my revelation book climax at hand i was looking to see where we had left off and i usually do this by seeing where i have stopped highlighting in the book.. so i started at pg 156 & 157 of the book so there were a bunch of marks on those two pages their are pics nothing special there.. but on page 159 their is a pic of jesus in the heavens where he is extending his handout to get a piece of paper and that's where i notice on the hand that were the wrinkles are supposed to be there is a face like a fetusnow i mean anybody can tell you that is a face of a baby.

i don't know why a baby on jesus hand or what it suppose to mean.

i guess it really shows how the control tower (watchtower) make me a jw feel really shitty.

marmot

Do Rorschach tests similarly freak you out? Does the shape of clouds disturb you? (I'm not kidding, there's a guy on here who thinks he's Jesus because he saw a sign in the clouds, coincidentally it happens to be the same hand with two fingers outstretched that you posted)

You're giving the Bethel art department way too much credit, besides what's the significance of a fetus palm anyway? Do you really think that would affect people?

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Wanting to just FREAKIN run away....I think I know why now...

by oompa in

jw
friends

the past year or so was year was really, really bad as i came to realize the waking up experience.

once i knew for sure wt was a sham, (although maybe sincere), i had this immediate feeling i would have to leave.....everything.

of course my wife was already going nuts from all my study, questions, doubts, letters to society, meetings with elders....but once i really knew and felt i would have to leave.... i did leave several times.

marmot

Definitely wait a while man, I know my experience can't amount to a hill of beans compared to yours (after all you've got a wife and kid, a motorcycle and, well, a life - whereas I'm a 25-year-old virgin living alone in a basement apartment with no remaining friends within 2000 kilometers except for my dog) but it's been getting easier.

I told my mom that I'm out of the Watchtower and she took it hard at first but now she's back to normal with me. My Dad is sort of "don't ask don't tell" but he treats me as well as he ever did. I even told my one remaining friend who now lives in Sweden and he said that he's fine with whatever I choose in life, that he would never shun me.

I think if you just stay yourself and ease into the new non-witness you around your family that it won't be so hard or so painful as you imagine it to be. You've got a family that loves you, and I'm sure they'll still love you no matter what you choose. Your wife is right about one thing, though, you've got to be around for them, too.

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If you dont believe in God...according to the bible you are a fool!

by Blackboo in

the fool has said in his heart there is no "god" how can this?

why do non-believers jump to such a conclusion?

i have notice many former witnesses have lost faith in god because of a a "religion" who didnt measure up to what it claims.

marmot

I believe I asked you a question a while back that you neglected to acknowledge. Here, I'll rephrase it:

You claim to believe in one Jesus of Nazareth, who descended from the line of David, who descended from the line of Abraham, who descended from Noah, who descended from Adam, the first man. Adam was created, according to the bible's own detailed chronology, around roughly 4026 BC.

Why is it that there is evidence all over the earth of human activity preceding that date? I'm not talking about hominid ancestors, but of modern tool-making pottery-glazing agriculturally-skilled humans. The dating methodologies are sound and have been verified and cross-verified by scientists for well over half a century and have been referenced against tree-ring chronologies that go back 9,000 years. That's what they call absolute dating, where scientists can count the individual rings on trees (both living and fossilized) and create a timeline.

I also asked you about Islam. What do you think of it? Muslims recognize Jesus as a prophet, and they even worship the god of the bible, except they refer to him as Al'Lah "the one true god." They say that the prophet Muhammad was directed by god to spread the true interpretation of his will. They don't view themselves as "fools" according to the scripture you cited because they actually believe in the bible and its god and, obviously, in that scripture itself.

Don't you see the path of hatred you're on? I say believe what you want, but realize that nobody, not science not religion NOBODY has a 100% answer on what happens after we die yet death is the only thing we're all 100% sure to experience. In the little time we have on this earth, why not make it a pleasant experience for everyone? Enjoy your beliefs, thrill in the experience of faith, but don't push those views on others and expect to be taken seriously.

Keep an open mind and realize that we are just specks in a vast universe.