Posts by marmot

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Pondering the Flood...

by 2pink in

this is only my second thread here on this forum, so forgive me if i put this on the wrong board.. i'm a jw on the way out....past few years and esp past few months of thinking have pretty much sealed the deal for me.

i'm done.. so anyway, as i allow myself to think more and more and question more and more of the bible, something i have always wondered about is the flood.

did god regret doing that, hence the rainbow promise??

marmot

As others have already mentioned, take a deeper look at the sheer impossibility of a global flood and you'll find that the flood story is just another myth with no more truth in it than the exploits of the ancient Greek gods.

Purely in terms of the "rainbow promise", do you think God magically altered the laws of physics to allow light refraction only after the flood? Silly. It's just a tale invented by people from long ago trying to make sense of the world around them without the benefit of science.

A great resource for information regarding the flood is located here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

This was what led to me losing my faith in the god of the bible, because if there's one false myth what's to say that the other outlandish stuff (talking snakes, sun standing still, people rising from the dead) is true?

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This has to rate high on the most disturbing videos I've ever seen. (Warning people with weak stomachs should refrain)

by StoneWall in

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friends

was just cruising thru videos on youtube and found this gem.. enjoy.......if you can.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3jncbe1vty&feature=popular.

marmot

Yeah, I've got one that pops up (HA!) on my inner thigh every so often, always the same location and usually after I've done a lot of walking like after a hike. Something disturbingly satisfying about squeezing the little bastard.

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Documentary About The Flood and Noah's Ark

by Blue Grass in

about a week or two ago i watched a documentary about the flood in noah's day entitled "in search of noah's ark".

two things i found very interesting in this program is a theory that one person had about how they believed the flood was caused due to a meteor hitting the ocean creating a tsunami that flooded the entire earth.

scientist were unanimous in their view that this is a very plausible scenario and that there is no way to rule this possibility out.

marmot

Strawman argument, unrelated to the age of the sample.

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Documentary About The Flood and Noah's Ark

by Blue Grass in

about a week or two ago i watched a documentary about the flood in noah's day entitled "in search of noah's ark".

two things i found very interesting in this program is a theory that one person had about how they believed the flood was caused due to a meteor hitting the ocean creating a tsunami that flooded the entire earth.

scientist were unanimous in their view that this is a very plausible scenario and that there is no way to rule this possibility out.

marmot

Perry, I don't know where you get the notion that the soft tissue recovered from M1125 was "stinking" or "rotting". I mean dude, listen to the video you yourself posted, the actual discoverer says they had to decalcify the sample in order to see the structures.

While it's fascinating that those blood vessels could be preserved like that, there's no disputing the age of the specimen. 86 separate chemical and radiometric analyses performed on the rock in which the specimen was encased put its age at over 64 million years old.

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Ex JW boy meets ex JW girl....good thing or bad thing?

by digderidoo in

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ex jw boy meets ex jw girl....good thing or bad thing?.

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marmot

I met my current girlfriend on eharmony and only found out three months later that she was also a fully faded baptized witness, what're the odds? It never presented an obstacle because we've both moved on.

Our one-year anniversary was in July and we've been living together since the end of June.

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more and more and more ...like 1984

by ninja in

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209602/tenants-fuming-flats-turned-big-brother-house-112-cctv-cameras-installed-inside.html.

marmot

Uh, cam, you DO know how google street view works, right? It's not a permanent video camera, it's a vehicle-mounted rig that drives around taking 360-degree still photos. It's a very slow and labor-intensive process but even so, people have successfully protested its use due to privacy concerns (several cases in the UK and Canada) so it's not as if Google has an all-powerful Eye of Sauron looking at you while you take a dump.

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Tower Of Babel

by Blue Grass in

note:this was a post i made on another thread but i felt it was off topic so i giving it it's own thread.. someone(who i can't remember) on a thread(which i can't remember) said the tower of babel story is proven false because some languages evolved from others and thus that was another strike against the bible as being fiction.

however this person doesn't realize that there are languages on this earth that has absolutely no relation whatsoever such as chinese-english, spanish-arabic, greek-xhosa, etc.

not to mention all of the ancient languages that are now extinct due to invading countries forcing their own language on other countries.

marmot

Blue Grass, what are you trying to get across by saying certain languages are not related? That it was God who created them?

It just means that their progenitors are extinct and from different linguistic branches. Language is constantly evolving and dating a language using comparative linguistics gets harder and harder the farther back in time you go, and generally cannot be accomplished with any degree of certainty past 10,000 years.

Just think of all the Romance languages. They all began as Latin a mere 2000 or so years ago yet think of all the variations today (French, Spanish, Portuguese, Creole, Romanian, etc.).

Did God create those languages too?

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A Question for Blue Grass

by marmot in

since i noticed you seem to take particular offense at atheism or anything that contradicts a literal interpretation of the bible, could you explain to me your view of noah's flood?.

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because that's the fable that made me stop believing in the god of the bible..

marmot

That's a big red herring argument, BG, I was asking about the flood. The bible clearly has a chronology that situates this global (or regional) catastrophe somewhere around 4000 years ago (go look it up on your WT CD-ROM if you don't believe me). As others have stated, if the flood were localized to the middle east then that means natives from the Americas were spared the destruction because there is rock-solid evidence they've been in North America for at least 15,000 years and there are sites in South America that date back even further.

I can sense some form of conflict in your answer, though, because you're clearly not toeing the WT party line when it comes to the Flood. As recently as last year they had a Question from Readers re-affirming their stance that the Flood was indeed earth-wide in scope. You and I both know that this is scientifically impossible, thus your suggestion of a localized flood.

If you pull out one piece of the bible that doesn't fit, the rest comes crumbling down in terms of divine inspiration. I have a great admiration for the bible as a work of literature, however. The fact that I don't view it as inspired by god doesn't take away from its significance in Western history or the beauty of some of its passages.

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A Question for Blue Grass

by marmot in

since i noticed you seem to take particular offense at atheism or anything that contradicts a literal interpretation of the bible, could you explain to me your view of noah's flood?.

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because that's the fable that made me stop believing in the god of the bible..

marmot

Since I noticed you seem to take particular offense at atheism or anything that contradicts a literal interpretation of the Bible, could you explain to me your view of Noah's flood?

Because that's the fable that made me stop believing in the god of the bible.

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Tower Of Babel

by Blue Grass in

note:this was a post i made on another thread but i felt it was off topic so i giving it it's own thread.. someone(who i can't remember) on a thread(which i can't remember) said the tower of babel story is proven false because some languages evolved from others and thus that was another strike against the bible as being fiction.

however this person doesn't realize that there are languages on this earth that has absolutely no relation whatsoever such as chinese-english, spanish-arabic, greek-xhosa, etc.

not to mention all of the ancient languages that are now extinct due to invading countries forcing their own language on other countries.

marmot

You really should read The Language Instinct by Steven Pinker. Fascinating book.