Gopher,
I don't think it would be that easy. This is the BIG teaching that determines who lives on after death in heaven and who gets resurrected on earth. I think there would be mass confusion if suddenly the gates of heaven were opened up - so to speak - for any ol' publisher.
What would they tell "interested ones" at the door? "Oh, what happens after you die is sort of up to you. If you like ruling over stuff and harps and white robes then you can go to heaven and be immortal, if you like tiger cubs playing with little kids, impeccably groomed lawns and conservative casual wear with sensible shoes then eternal life on paradise is for you!"
marmot
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New Generation Understanding
by momzcrazy inhello everyone, i am new here and newly freed from the snare of wtbs.
my sister, also newly freed, said our mom told her at the annual meeting there was a new "understanding" on the generation confusion.
it is now the annointed that will not pass away.. has anyone else heard this?
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New Generation Understanding
by momzcrazy inhello everyone, i am new here and newly freed from the snare of wtbs.
my sister, also newly freed, said our mom told her at the annual meeting there was a new "understanding" on the generation confusion.
it is now the annointed that will not pass away.. has anyone else heard this?
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marmot
Welcome!
Yeah, this was discussed in another thread but I think it can have one more. To me, this new light is just a way of saying that the end is NEVER going to come because there will always be handful of anointed around. In fact, didn't their number increase since the 90s?
I know for certain that the latest addition to the Governing Body, David Splane, is barely older than my parents and he pioneered with them in Quebec during the 70s. He certainly isn't of the "1914 generation".
My dad (a firm JW) also expressed to me in a rare moment of candor that he doesn't think the 144,000 is a literal number.
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Tipping your hat to a lady is demonic
by marmot in...according to the watchtower.
i don't have access to the watchtower library right now (i've only got a mac) but i remember laughing my arse off when i read that in an old questions from readers.
apparently tipping your hat to a lady is considered demonic because it shows deference to the lesser of the sexes, a man putting himself below the woman and other rambling "reasoning" about its origins in medieval times and such garbage.
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Oompa, I found it 'cause I was bored and staying home from University one day and started reading all the old Questions from Readers in chronological order.
I had just recently read "The Finished Mystery" (my relatives' place where I was staying at the time had a wealth of old Society literature dating right back to the beginning) and I was pretty disillusioned by what I read. I laughed my ass off at the chapter that says Job was prophesying about the steam locomotive.
Ironically, I had engaged in this "deep study" out of a burst of zeal, as I was trying to get myself out of a bout of severe depression and "reach out" in the congregation. It was this past spring when we were just starting the Revelation book again so I figured it would be interesting to read all the earlier stuff.
Yep, a real eye-opener alright.
I also went to the bookstudy last night and was fighting so hard not to roll my eyes every three seconds that I got a headache. For those who haven't been keeping up, last night's study was about the "myriad of myriads of cavalry" whose stinging tails - in the form of "hard-hitting" publications - have inflicted massive harm on Christendom. It's even referred to as "the most devastating cavalry charge in humankind's history". Uh-huh. -
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millions now living will never die [ or did they]
by jacethespace ini just cant understand why the watchtower still holds to this convention from 1933, that millions now living will never die.my nan was born in 1925 and shes in her late 80s.so who was the watchtower refering to when they said that they would never die.it coudnt have been people who were middle aged back then or older.and i cant believe they were just talking to people between the ages of 7-20 or so either that wouldnt fit the " millions " hype.yet its still refered to today in meetings and in the revelation book as a very important event.
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marmot
First, your nan is in her early 80s if she was born in 1925 ;-), and second wasn't that convention in Cedar Point, Ohio, in 1922?
In fact, wasn't the gist of the announcement that the END or the resurrection of the "ancient worthies" was supposed to happen in 1925, therefore "millions now living will never die"?
Here's a quote from the book bearing the same name:
"Based upon the argument heretofore set forth, then, that the old order of things, the old world, is ending and is therefore passing away, and that the new order is coming in, and that 1925 shall mark the resurrection of the faithful worthies of old and the beginning of reconstruction, it is reasonable to conclude that millions of people now on the earth will be still on the earth in 1925. Then, based upon the promises set forth in the divine Word, we must reach the positive and indisputable conclusion that millions now living will never die." -
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Tipping your hat to a lady is demonic
by marmot in...according to the watchtower.
i don't have access to the watchtower library right now (i've only got a mac) but i remember laughing my arse off when i read that in an old questions from readers.
apparently tipping your hat to a lady is considered demonic because it shows deference to the lesser of the sexes, a man putting himself below the woman and other rambling "reasoning" about its origins in medieval times and such garbage.
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Awesome, thanks Gopher.
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Tipping your hat to a lady is demonic
by marmot in...according to the watchtower.
i don't have access to the watchtower library right now (i've only got a mac) but i remember laughing my arse off when i read that in an old questions from readers.
apparently tipping your hat to a lady is considered demonic because it shows deference to the lesser of the sexes, a man putting himself below the woman and other rambling "reasoning" about its origins in medieval times and such garbage.
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marmot
Couldn't be, 'cause I definitely read it on a computer screen off of the WT CD-ROM and that cuts off at 1950.
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Tipping your hat to a lady is demonic
by marmot in...according to the watchtower.
i don't have access to the watchtower library right now (i've only got a mac) but i remember laughing my arse off when i read that in an old questions from readers.
apparently tipping your hat to a lady is considered demonic because it shows deference to the lesser of the sexes, a man putting himself below the woman and other rambling "reasoning" about its origins in medieval times and such garbage.
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marmot
...according to the Watchtower.
I don't have access to the Watchtower Library right now (I've only got a mac) but I remember laughing my arse off when I read that in an old Questions from Readers. Apparently tipping your hat to a lady is considered demonic because it shows deference to the lesser of the sexes, a man putting himself below the woman and other rambling "reasoning" about its origins in medieval times and such garbage.
Kinda pointless now since men don't wear hats (as a rule) as a fashion accessory and the practice of tipping your hat is pretty much forgotten, but it's a great point of reference to show the WT's ridiculous dogmatism on minor issues (birthdays, beards, cross versus stake, etc) in its quest to be "different" from Babylon the Great.
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Have you ever refused a "Privilege"
by JH ini refused to give a bible study to some kid.
i figured that many tried and didn't succeed.. i also didn't feel ready for that, nor did i want to drag him to each meeting after that, since he had no family in the org.
the elders weren't happy with my decision.. bottom line, you can't say no, without any consequences..
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marmot
They wanted to make me a MS but I "refused" in a way because I wouldn't bump my field service hours despite repeated pleas. I honestly didn't want to be in any sort of leadership position when I had doubts myself.
When I just moved into my latest congregation in May I didn't bother asking to be on the school and nobody's bothered to bring the matter up so I'm satisfied. -
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Has the WTS changed its view on carbon dating?
by Jourles ini remember back to my high school days when the blue evolution or creation book was all the rage.
in it, i recall the wts using several reasons as to why we cannot trust carbon dating whatsoever.
has there been any change in their thinking in the last 15 or so years or any new developments on this front?
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marmot
I'd LOOOOVE to know what the current reasoning is on this, too. I'm an avid history buff, especially Native American history and there is loads of radiocarbon evidence that humans were here over 10 thousand years ago.
There are many instances of Clovis points found preserved in-situ in extinct ice age megafauna remains such as mammoths and giant bison, all carbon dated more than 11000 BP (before present). -
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Tuna Fish Blood
by Dogpatch inthis was contributed to me by someone who wishes to remain anon:.
jehovahs witnesses governing body and tuna fish blood.
since the inception of the watchtower organization in modern times, the leaders overseeing millions of jehovahs witnesses have claimed to be none other than jesus exclusive spirit appointed leaders known collectively as the faithful and discreet slave class, having received this divine distinction early in the twentieth century.
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marmot
Interesting topic. Reminds me of one time we were having lobster when I was a kid and my dad was eating the green goo inside it (spread on toast it's pretty good) and I pointed out to him that he was eating the cooked blood of the lobster, since lobster blood doesn't contain hemoglobin but uses copper to transport oxygen it is green instead of red.
He basically told me to shut up and mind my own business.