Posts by 4mylove

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sick of being labeled by idiots!! No that is not a label it is a fact!

by 4mylove in

jw
friends

my friend was having guy problems, so she calls me because i have "experience".

this is how she makes me feel when she calls to vent.

that because i dated like a normal person i have better insight.

4mylove

Sorry, I had posted without the message.

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sick of being labeled by idiots!! No that is not a label it is a fact!

by 4mylove in

jw
friends

my friend was having guy problems, so she calls me because i have "experience".

this is how she makes me feel when she calls to vent.

that because i dated like a normal person i have better insight.

My friend was having guy problems, so she calls me because I have "experience". This is how she makes me feel when she calls to vent. That because i dated like a normal person i have better insight. I snagged me an inactive JW because of my wicked ways. I guess because I'm worldly I can make better sense of the world.

So she's been seeing this guy, yada yada, and she asks him if she's barking up the wrong tree. He responds that he has a girlfriend but has made any announcements. He had, or so she thought, joked about getting married next year. Guess he wasn't joking, it just wasn't to her. He's been out with her a couple times, apperently unbeknowst to the girlfriend.

What pissed me off was that during the conversation she said that maybe he hadn't said anything because it was someone he wasn't supposed to be dating. She later proceeded to say that it couldn't be some wordly girl because the girl apparently knows her. I reminded my friend that I'm wordly and know most of her business.

I also told her that maybe if she dated some wordly men she wouldn't have such drama. Apperently the brothers she has been pursuing only want 18 year olds with miniscule minds. Told her I was busy and would call her back. I know this will turn into something because there has already been tension b/w us. This chick is awesome once you get past the brainwashing. This shit sucks.

And to think I once told her after one of my arguments with my hubby over faith that she should marry within her faith. Now i think I will only push her to find a great caring loving apostate that can help her out of her misery!!

Thanks for letting me rant.

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Mr. Flipper's Conversation over Coffee w/ JW Daughter - Mixed Results

by flipper in

jw
friends

it is truly amazing the varied emotions i've felt since my jw daughter has been talking to me after not talking to me for 9 months .

" i replied, " i haven't said anything about the witnesses today .

she had told me an elder from my area had given a talk in her congregation 30 miles away , and she told him i have issues with the child abuse scandal.

4mylove

I'm so proud of you. I hope all goes well. Sounds like you daughter has the potential to see and a very big heart.

Good luck Mr Flipper!

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Question about Memorial invitation

by marsal in

i have a copy of the memorial invitation (tract?

) and i was curious about one paragraph.

it states: "how does jesus' death affect you?

4mylove

Nathan you crack me up!!!

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I think I have to go to the memorial

by 4mylove in

the hubby tells me that a friend called him to remind him of the memorial this saturday.

mind you, they never call, they never write.

my hubby tells me that he may have to go in scrubs because he won't have time to go home and change, that he doesn't mind.

4mylove

Jgant, thanks yet again. I believe you were the one that had suggested the Alpha course a while back. I haven't attended yet but is sounds like a wonderful experience. I almost had my husband convinced but he decided not to go because Bear Grills wasn't going to be the mediator! My husband may still be a little brainwashed but he loves Bear Grills and was willing to go if he had been there. I did research, and he only participates very rarely.

TweetieBird, I've already thought of that but need some help. I would of course ask for a better explanation on why we cannot partake.

OpenMind, I would never leave his side. That's the whole and only point of me going. I want to be there for him. I do not fear them. I fear what they could do to my family. And yes, I've been a "part time" catholic for a while now. I'm currently trying to find my own truth in my own way. With the help of this board i've discovered neither them or any other man made organization can help lead me to Him. It has to be in my heart. I hope I eventually find what I'm looking for.

Thanks again to you all, every little bit helps,

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I think I have to go to the memorial

by 4mylove in

the hubby tells me that a friend called him to remind him of the memorial this saturday.

mind you, they never call, they never write.

my hubby tells me that he may have to go in scrubs because he won't have time to go home and change, that he doesn't mind.

4mylove

So i don't go, and he doesn't go with me is I ask. How do I achieve progress?! It's sort of Ying-Yang. For me to show him something different, I have to be willing to share in his experiences. I already know the evil that lurks there.

Funny thing happened last night. We were visiting friends that came in from out of town. We were discussing goose bump moments and got really side tracked into spiritual moments and religion. The of course brought up cults as two of the gentlemen are currently in neuropsychiatric residency's in west TX. Our friend knows that my hubby is an inactive witness but the friend didn't. The conversation had reverted to cults and he brought up the witnesses. He said he would never understand how an individual gives up mental freedom. He knows that they are not allowed to read other literature. I cracked up when he said, "if they have the damn truth what are they afraid of?!" My husband was silent. That was one long ride home. He also brought up the fact that they are separatists in nature, brought up Davidito, Kool-aid drinkers, etc. I loved where the conversation was going.

I could tell our friends were getting uncomfortable because they know of my husbands religion. So I tried to make the conversation more neutral. This couple is Catholic and Hindu, and I of course always use them as an example to my husband as to how other faiths can share views and not be cast out. All in all it was just more help...

Thanks again guys and gals!

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I think I have to go to the memorial

by 4mylove in

the hubby tells me that a friend called him to remind him of the memorial this saturday.

mind you, they never call, they never write.

my hubby tells me that he may have to go in scrubs because he won't have time to go home and change, that he doesn't mind.

4mylove

DJK,

I don't think it's being submissive, more so cunningly supportive. I wouldn't ask of him anything that I wouldn't expect in return. My problem with the whole situation is that he wouldn't be ALLOWED to follow me anywhere I go if he went back. We have many interdenominational marriages in our circles, none of these women are being submissive. Love will make you do crazy things. And yes, I mean love, not lust. I've always been of the thinkging that I would do the same for anyone in my family including my husband. I think sometimes people forget what it means to be a spouse. It is a partner, a best friend, a companion, not a business partner. I would do the same for my husband as I would for my father or brothers. My love is the same, other wise he would still just be my boyfriend.

It may sound trivial, but remember the movie The Breakup? Jennifer tells him that she wants him to want to do the dishes with her. I believe that my husband wants me to be there with him. He has NEVER pressured me into anything. He is the most kind hearted person anyone could ever meet. I think it is difficult to go by himself. He has been out so long. This would be the second time I go with him. The first time I didn't know any better, and he hasn't been back since, that was 6 years ago. He hasn't been to meetings, but I think for him it's like when us catholics attend Midnight Mass, or Ash Wednesday. And yes I know there is no half way about anything in this cult. And you can trust me when I say that I am scared shitless that he wants to attend. It of course opens up the can of worms I have been trying to avoid and hide in the back of the pantry.

I think my husbands eyes have been opened to so many things, including what the true meaning of what family is. He came from a tiny town in, the kind where everyone knows everybodys everything. My family has embraced him as he is one of their own, and has always been there. His is not very supportive. They have shunned us to a certain extent but it's gotten better over the years, though there are very very brainwashed. I think he sees the wrong in the organization, but as most of you know it will be extremely difficult for him to admit it for a very long time.

I like to pride myself as being independent of mind, body, and spirit, yet old fashioned when it comes to my marriage. I cherrish it more than anything in my life. I used to think that marriage was nothing more than a piece of paper, but I do hold my vows very closely to my heart. I wouldn't abandon anyone I love during a difficult time. I would follow any family member to hell if it meant helping get them out.

Flipper,

Thanks so much for your caring response. I have declined the offer many many times, and he ends up not going. I think it will take many long years to finally break him completely, especially since his entire immediate family is still very in. I promise he does not try to sway me in any way and does respect my beliefs. I know it sounds to good to be true but we are so awesome together ( sorry for the awesome, I'm a product of the 80's/90's gen!).

Thanks to all of you!! Wish me luck!! Love you all

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I think I have to go to the memorial

by 4mylove in

the hubby tells me that a friend called him to remind him of the memorial this saturday.

mind you, they never call, they never write.

my hubby tells me that he may have to go in scrubs because he won't have time to go home and change, that he doesn't mind.

4mylove

The hubby tells me that a friend called him to remind him of the memorial this Saturday. Mind you, they never call, they never write. Oh well.

My hubby tells me that he may have to go in scrubs because he won't have time to go home and change, that he doesn't mind. I thought this was a complete no no?

Well I tell him he can go if he wants, and that i think there is a kingdom hall in our little town somewhere, blah blah blah.

He finally asked me if i was planning on going with him partly because i had taken the time to look up info for him, and I explained my dilema.

"If I knew that you would go with me to Sunday service, and it wouldn't be a problem, I would have no problem going with you, but you see, you aren't ALLOWED!! I just can't be a hypocrite. I love you so much, and I would follow you anywhere except to addiction, hurt, deceipt, and that is exactly what i think this is."

He explained that he would love to have me join him and that he has joined me to events at churches. I explained that that wasn't the same (Weddings don't count). Granted, the only thing I've asked him to join me for was an Alpha course, and that turned into an argument too (he only agreed because he thought Bear Grills was giving it due to his affiliation with the program...my husband is such a man). I've told him before exactly how i feel, and he has been inactive for about 5-6 years now.

So after finally calming down I sat and thought to myself, shouldn't I follow my husband where ever he goes? I hate that everytime this issue comes up i get so hateful. It's just that I've learned so much more about this cult than what the general public knows, I thank this board for that. I just fear that they will take him away from me one day, then again, that would be his decision.

My plan is to possibly go with him and ask questions about the process, not drinking, not eating, as the bible/He commands. I've asked him to please not shut me out of this part of his life. I hope that my ways will change and I can approach the subject with love not hate, understanding not contempt, support and not fear. I love my husband so much. I refuse to lose him to this cult. I will continue to show him love and respect, yet make sure that i try to open his eyes everyday.

This will again be the challange of my life but my marriage is worth it. If it were not for this issue, I would have a near perfect marriage if it weren't for this. I will never be a part of that world. I unfortunately took the right colored pill.

Thank you all for your love and support,

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My memorial invite w/ pic

by 4mylove in

inviting you guys to the memorial of jesus christ death check with the local kingdom hall of.

jehovah witnessess also check with xxxx.. .

love, xxxx.

4mylove

Inviting you guys to The Memorial of Jesus Christ Death check with the local Kingdom Hall of
Jehovah Witnessess also check with XXXX.

Love, XXXX

This was the message I got from an old friend and coworker that has moved out of town. Mind you this is the only email i have ever received from her. She also attached an electronic copy of the invite.

Just wanted to share this wonderful news! I always thought this time of year was about his resurrection not his death! Oh well, dumb catholic i am. I think my hubby is working this saturday so we just won't be able to make it....darn the luck.

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Memorial Questions

by 4mylove in

seeing how it is inevitable that my husband will bring up attendance to this terrible event, what would be questions i could ask afterward on the very long drive home?

i'm pretty sure his parents have already started calling him to remind him to be sure to attend at least that since he is inactive at the time.

i know it's terrible but i'd love to play devil's advocate.

4mylove

Cordelia, sorry to hear that. Good luck to you!

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