The guy who waited on me this morning at the home center was 81. He helped me round up a new mailbox to sit beside the sign that Ron Frye painted for me at the end of my driveway.
garybuss
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Another One of my Friends Died this morning
by Undecided ini guess i will have to just expect to handle death day by day.
i just hope i can last a few more good years.
we went to the coast together a few years ago and had a great time, my brother was also good friends with him also and went with us.
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1984 Centennial Watchtower Edition-PDF!
by Atlantis in1984-centennial-watchtower-edition-pdf (the watchtower celebrates its own birthday) bm=bookmarked s=searchable r=reduced to 15-mb other tidbits: p. 30-- gives directions to russell's grave (and refers to the pyramid there).
p. 28-- speaks favorably of the editorial committee set up by russell in his will.
rutherford abolished the editorial committee and wrote against it.
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garybuss
Interesting! Thanks!
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How many years before you left did you realise it was not the truth?
by jambon1 ini was only in for 10 years.
however, i never feel that i 100% believed it all, even at the point of baptism.. i think after the initial period of 'love' shown on the part of the brothers, i must have only been a baptised brother for about 4 years when i knew it was all wrong on so many different levels.. i remember a sister saying to me "once they have got you under the water, that's when you see the real way they treat you".
it all changed after baptism.
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garybuss
In 1974 when I saw the year text I knew we had been conned about 1975 but I hadn't figured out it was all a con yet then. I quit as a member in 1974.
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What has everyone done with your literature, now that you've left?
by momzcrazy ini have boxes of literature upstairs.
i was waiting for bookshelves to get built in our new house, but now i don't want to put them all up.
i have sentimental things, like ones that were my dad's.
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garybuss
I got mine out of the storage room, put them in the bookcase and read them. Some, like the Let God Be True and volume 3 of Studies, I made a word by word study of.
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January 15, 2008 Watchtower & The One Mistake We All Made:
by t33ap80c inthe one mistake we all made.
and the january 15, 2008 watchtower.
page 24 the governing body makes the following statement: .
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garybuss
Hi Don,
You wrote, "Fortunately the change doesn't have any effect on the point I make in the book."
I know the 1933 article doesn't affect your book and my point is the Society seems to have been teaching the invisible return in1874 and in 1914 within the same 10 year span from 1933 till 1943. Does this appear to be the case to you?
I'd find that interesting all on it's own.
Lots was happening in the Society from 1933 till 1943. The great tribulation was on pause, the anointed were sealed, the great crowd was labeled, WWII was starting and Rutherford died. Quite a few of the current beliefs were designed during that time-frame. Confusion about when Christ returned during this time period would make other beliefs designed during that time period the product of that confusion. -
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why do so many "non witness " jws not bother to find out the "truth"
by sosad inmy siblings who have left (3/7 last count) have no desire to talk about or hear about much less read about what the deal is witht the org our parents decided would bring them everlasting life.
it is head shaking to me - and i try not to bring it up at all- but when they ask, or it comes up and they are all freaked out about me being interested in it all i just shake my head.
even friends i grew up with in the org have no desire to know - they are just not interested.
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Mrs Smith, you wrote: "His ex wife still takes their kids to the meetings and he sees nothing wrong with that! He doesn't want to be a witness but doesn't see anything wrong with the religion."
That was me for 18 years. My years of "believing walkaway" status were evolutionary. It was maybe like slowly waking up from a coma. At first I saw a LOT wrong, then I got busy with making a living in my 30's and 40's and indifference kind of took over for a few years.
I had an extremely difficult time accepting that all of my family members and virtually all the people I grew up trusting were wrong and I was right. It was an upsetting thought and it meant that those I had seen as enemies because they had rejected the Jehovah's Witness message or attitude were right all along.
Thinking Witnessism was wrong was a thought I had been trained to fear, so just thinking it brought a certain anxiety for years after I quit associating. I knew the Witnesses were rude, controlling, prone to error, insulting, and offensive to me, but I had not challenged the old tapes of flips.
By flips, I mean flips like, "the light gets brighter", "wait on Jehovah", and "we're only imperfect humans". I began my study by topically trying to prove the Witness doctrines were true, one by one. When I was unable to prove one topic, I had to deal with the flips (excuses).
Early on I found my vocabulary was defective. I actually had to relearn the English language word by word. I bought a stack of dictionaries and thesauruses. This was before modern computers.
On the way I accepted my core beliefs were flawed and there was a time I didn't trust my judgement or decisions. My process to challenge my core beliefs took me over 5 years and I ended up reading over 200 books in addition to the Watch Tower Corporation produced pieces.
Admitting my own responsibility in my first wife's early death was a real turning point for me. That was one of my big sacrifices, and of course sacrifices are the golden key to loyalty to a high control group as Leon Festinger so ably pointed out in his work.
So . . . I understand believing walkaways, and I understand very well why I was one. What I don't understand was how I found the strength and courage to challenge every single thing my parents, my teachers, and my friends told me. In the end about all I kept was the multiplication tables. Almost all the rest was garbage.
Of course, just about the last thing to learn about was boundaries. In fact, boundaries might have been the product of my study. Now they're out there like the parameter of a military base.
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January 15, 2008 Watchtower & The One Mistake We All Made:
by t33ap80c inthe one mistake we all made.
and the january 15, 2008 watchtower.
page 24 the governing body makes the following statement: .
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Hi Don,
Does the 1933 quote mean the Society taught both return dates, 1874 and 1914, at the same time for 10 years? :-) -
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1929 "Christ's Promised Return"-E. C. Henninges--PDF--BM-S-R!
by Atlantis in1929 "christ's promised return"--pdf--e. c. henninges bm=bookmarked s=searchable r=reduced from 21 to 4.5 mb click the link by the (red arrow) at the bottom of the next page.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/hqvh55 another download link.
click the (yellow/orange) download button at the bottom left of your screen after the seconds count down to zero.
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garybuss
Got it! Looks interesting. Thanks!
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elders. IS going to or throwing a birthday party a DFing offense?
by ?me? inas i recall reading in the flock book (maybe i overlooked it).
it is not actually a dfing offense.
it may be "looked down upon" but can you be df'ed?
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Have some fun and take all the same reasons given by the Society why birthdays are bad and apply them to nude bathing. Have your research ready to inquire if any elder has ever taken a bath if they ask about your personal behaviors.
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how is the WT a "literature selling scam"?
by inkling ini have heard several people refer to the society as publishing company in the business.
of selling books and magazines.. i just don't see how this view can be valid considering that i almost never see.
any "voluntary contributions" come in from the door-to-door work.
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garybuss
Think they make any money on their banking, insurance, investment, construction, or convention businesses?