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  If Jw hate being a part of the world so much, why do they try...

  by jetery in

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  when i was a witness i remember asking one of the elders if it would be alright to donate to different causes/charities like the american cancer society,st judes hospital etc.

  he told me that these organizations only provide temporary relief whereas god kingdom would provide permanent relief.

  ) he was so down on these organizations but yet when he needed them for help he sure didnt hesitate to ask them.

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  garybuss

  The Witness Bible says God loves the world. What am I missing?
  
  
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  Need suggestions... how do I respond to my elders?

  by Robert7 in

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  so our fade is not going so well.

  too many people have been asking about us, and therefore giving us attention.

  we've had no choice but tell select few friends that we're discouraged, and one that we're having a hard time believing the fds in general.

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  Robert7,
  
  Elders only have the power I give them and I choose to give them none.
  
  You still respect these guys. You're trying to make a deal, negotiate with them, stack their deck. You think there are elders who will place honor, friendship, and "right", over loyalty to the Watch Tower Society. I hope you're right. I've never seen it.
  
  The Watch Tower Corporation's first line of defense is the member's family. Witness family members are retrained as psychotic watchdogs. Relatives are the junk yard dogs of Witness religion. Here my Witness relatives threw me under the bus. The Witness people aggregate treated me like crap when I was a Witness. If the Witnesses hassled me, I'd go right to the religion editor of the local daily paper.
  
  In my world, Witnesses and ethics are mutually exclusive. There's no room in the culture for honesty, real friendship, ethics, or loyalty. All that's right . . . yields, every knee bends to the Society. Everyone is dispensable.
  
  Hope it all goes your way. Thanks for sharing with the world what it's like to be associated with Jehovah's Witnesses. Hopefully others will avoid our path.
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  Need suggestions... how do I respond to my elders?

  by Robert7 in

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  2. friends

  so our fade is not going so well.

  too many people have been asking about us, and therefore giving us attention.

  we've had no choice but tell select few friends that we're discouraged, and one that we're having a hard time believing the fds in general.

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  garybuss

  To Jehovah's Witnesses, religion is a contact sport. They're fanatics. Whackos! These guys only recently quit using sound cars, blasting in front of the Catholic Churches on Sunday morning.
  
  The reason you are apprehensive about meeting with the Jehovah's Witnesses, is you are not prepared. Prepare yourself, and meeting with them is fun, like a cat playing with a mouse. The main thing to know is, elders are basically cowards. Use that.
  
  When I fight with a Witness, I'm going into battle against an unarmed man. I asked two elders 10 questions that kept them away for 9 years. I finally broke their fade from me by calling them.
  
  If you do meet with the Witnesses, meet at a neutral location. Never your home. Never at their location. Here's some tips that do work in close confrontation.
  
  Tip #1. Read the last 2 Watchtower and the last 2 Awake! magazines cover to cover with conviction. When you meet with the Witnesses immediately put them on the defensive by calmly asking them what they thought of this article and that article. Witnesses don't read the publications. I didn't know that when I was a Witness for a long time. I found out by accident.
  
  After they admit over and over that they didn't read the literature you mention, you have taken control of the meeting. They will make excuses to you why they haven't read the publications. When they confess and ask forgiveness, they have lost. The meeting is over. Don't let them take control back. If they try, go back to asking about articles you know they haven't read.
  
  Tip #2. Every question they ask you, say: "I agree with the Watchtower magazine on that." If they ask you to explain, flip them and ask them if they have a problem with the Watchtower magazine. Ask them if there's some problem with you not having a problem.
  
  Tip #3. Never let them meet with you and your wife together.
  
  Tip #4. If they come with two or more elders, don't talk if they are flipping their Bibles or their bound in "Reasoning" book. If they are flipping pages, they are chanting. Don't talk when they are doing it.
  
  Tip #5. There are great books on coercion and manipulation. Get them and study up. Read up on hypnosis, NLP, and study sales closes. Master the alternative close. Read up on the Verbal Art Of Self Defense. Study flips. Practice!
  
  Education, preparation and skill takes away fear. None of those three are free or fell into my lap. They took some work. I am shunned by the Witness people and I wouldn't want it any other way, so I come at them with a nothing to loose attitude. All elders I know are idiots and egocentric. They are no match at all, and they are not to be feared, they are to be disrespected and played with.
  
  
  
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  WHAT IS JW THEORY ON STONE TOOLS DISCOVERED?

  by badboy in

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  any ideas?

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  WHAT IS JW THEORY ON STONE TOOLS DISCOVERED? ANY IDEAS?
  
  My parents told me that Jesus created the artifacts so it would look like the Bible is wrong as a test designed to trick people so he could murder them at Armageddon.
  
  That's the abstract version, but . . . basically, that's it.
  
  
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  Appendix on DF in New Book released at Convention 2008

  by InquiryMan in

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  2. beliefs

  some scans have been made regarding blood and birthdays in the new book that was released at this year s conventions.

  as could be seen from the index of the book, there is an appendix on the topic of disfellowshipping.

  this as a topic that definitely concerns quite a few of this board.

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  This is how witnesses want to be treated. Only I double the measure in reply. Their game, my rules.
  
  
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  I got shunned at Wal-Mart

  by loosie in

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  this is actually hilarious to me.

  i am not df'd or da'd.

  i just haven't gone for 3 years.. this woman (sister) works at my daughters school.

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  I got shunned at Wal-Mart

  
  I hate it when that happens.
  
  
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  my inactive family hates that I researched why the jws are wrong

  by sosad in

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  they don't want to hear it, they think i am being hurtful having so many books about cults, jws in particular etc etc.

  i never talk about it but they saw my bookshelves in my office during a recent visit and are besides themselves.

  they want to know where the anit catholic literature is - (my husband and kids are catholic, i am not).

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  You could tell them that the Catholics are not making your life a living hell at the moment so you do not feel the need to research them.

  
  That one makes my "Carla comeback" list of keepers. Good one!
  
  
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  Did you return to celebrating holidays?

  by song19 in

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  with this new light, i am starting to try and figure out what to do with my life and my time... now that the world is opened up for me to finally explore.. i have been wondering if i will return to celebrating the holidays with my 'worldly' relatives.

  my parents, brother, and in-laws are all witnesses.

  i have pretty much rejected the holidays say for 25 years.

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  I was raised by lunatic Witness parents, so I never got to celebrate anything except the release of the latest religious fiction book. Now, I celebrate anything and everything with anybody at any time.
  
  
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  What are some of the biggest changes in the org?

  by My Struggle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there have been some big changes over the past few years.

  what do you think are the most important?.

  personally... 1.no bookstudy.

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  You wrote: Can you show me the article were the Watch Tower Society admit they have a clergy. Thx.
  Yes! Get the Barbara Anderson CD and read it. It's in a court case where the Society claims the elders don't have to confess knowledge of pedophile activity because they are "clergy". Very good CD by the way.
  
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  For conscientious cussedness on the grand scale, no other aggregation of Americans is a match for Jehovah?s Witnesses. Stanley High, The Saturday Evening Post, September 14, 1940 The Way I See it http://www.freeminds.org/buss/buss.htm
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  What are some of the biggest changes in the org?

  by My Struggle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there have been some big changes over the past few years.

  what do you think are the most important?.

  personally... 1.no bookstudy.

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  garybuss

  The biggest change I have seen since 1950 is the Watch Tower Society becoming a religion.
  
  The second biggest change I have seen was the disassociation of the Governing Body members from the Watch Tower Society corporations in 2000.
  
  The third biggest change I have seen is the allowing blood medical treatment by the cell saver scavenger method as well as the approval of the use of all fractions of all blood components.
  
  The fourth biggest change was seeing the Watch Tower Society admit in print they have a clergy.
  
  The fifth biggest change was the change of the generation of 1914 prediction in 1995.