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  Bowen gives WBTS another Dilemma

  by Nanoprobe in

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  i think bill bowen has given the watchtower another dilemma.. has anyone had a chance to read bills letter to the draffenville body of elders?.

  there isnt a link to the page but its: http://www.silentlambs.com latest info, bowen letter judicial committee 5-20-02. youll enjoy the entire letter but below is an excerpt:.

  a second area that gives greater cause for concern are the other comments that appear to be malicious and slanderous in their context, i offer you the following:.

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  Wonder what goodies Bill's attorneys can subpoena from the Watch Tower Corporations. . . .
  
  
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  Anyone from Minnesota?

  by scootergirl in

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  looking for anyone from the st. cloud congregations (i was in the north one)...or surrounding areas.

  oh heck, anyone from minnesota is fine!

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  Born in MN and now live just miles from the border in South Dakota.

  You have too many mosquitoes:-)
  
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  THEOCRACY looks like FASCISM

  by garybuss in

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  fascism vs theocracy.

  commentary by gary busselman.

  theocracy: god rule.

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  Hi refiners fire

  They have written in their papers that they would kill dissenters if it was legal.

  They are fascist in nature. They are a political party in denial looking to take over the world by divine intervention and they have contempt for all other governments and political groups.They are less religious and much more political than any religion I have looked at. Their goal is the overthrow of every other government on the planet and the establishment of their government as a world government with them running it.

  The Jehovah's Witnesses are an occult anti-establishment political group working to the detriment of all governments of every country. They operate under the guise of a religion while they subvert taxes by their donation arrangement and plan for the overthrow of established governments.

  They use Theocratic War Strategy i.e. lying in court when they are being examined. They currently have a case before the United States Supreme Court arguing that they need to be anonymous to the home owners when they go door to door. I read their Bible a couple times and never noticed that Jesus did his ministry anonymously.

  Has anybody ever seen their proof text that supports their anonymous ministry demand?
  
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  THEOCRACY looks like FASCISM

  by garybuss in

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  fascism vs theocracy.

  commentary by gary busselman.

  theocracy: god rule.

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  FASCISM VS THEOCRACY
  Commentary by Gary Busselman

  THEOCRACY: God Rule
  (Paradise Restored To Mankind By Theocracy, Watch Tower Bible And Tract Society of New York, Inc., 1972, p.13)

  FASCISM
  fascism (fàsh¹îz´em), philosophy of government that glorifies the nation-state at the expense of the individual. Major concepts of fascism include opposition to democratic and socialist movements; racist ideologies, such as ANTI-SEMITISM; aggressive military policy; and belief in an authoritarian leader who embodies the ideals of the nation.
  (The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia, 1995)

  FASCISM, is a form of government headed, in most cases, by a dictator. It involves total government control of political, economic, cultural, religious, and social activities. (The World Book Encyclopedia, Vol. 7, 1979,p.52-54)

  The Watch Tower Society claims it is a Theocracy form of government. Ruled from the top [God] down by [using] a dictatorial committee [Governing Body]. It involves total control of: political activity of members by prohibiting membership in [other] political parties and voting in general elections; cultural intercourse by discouraging artists, musicians, and athletics; religious freedom by ostracism of members who seek outside religious association; and social activities by strongly discouraging members from associating with anyone not approved by the group leaders.

  Fascism resembles Communism. But unlike Communism, which calls for the government to own all industry, fascism allows industry to remain in private ownership, though under government control. Other important features of fascism include extreme patriotism, warlike policies, and persecution of minorities. (ibid.)

  The Watch Tower Society [The Theocracy] resembles Communism. But unlike Communism, The Theocracy allows members to own private business, though under Theocracy "suggestions and guidelines" plus all group member workers must follow "Society directives" (Pay Attention To Yourselves And To All The Flock, p.138). Other important features of The Theocracy include extreme loyalty to the Dictatorial Committee [Governing Body], warlike policies, e.g. Theocratic War Strategy, and hatred of perceived enemies [often dissenting former group members].

  Political Life.
  In most cases, fascists have come to power after a nation has suffered an economic collapse, a military defeat, or some other disaster. The fascist party wins mass support by promising to revive the economy and to restore national pride. The fascists may also appeal to a fear of Communism or a hatred of Jews and other minorities. Eventually, the fascists may gain control of the government—through peaceful elections or by force. (ibid.)

  The Theocracy came to power after World War I and after the death of it's charismatic leader and founder, Charles Taze Russell. The Theocracy won support by: identifying a perceived enemy, including all [other] governments, all [other] big business, and all [other] religion, especially the Catholic religion; providing a clear definition of "the problem" and offering an absolute solution; and by claiming an exclusive way to the ideal condition, e.g. heaven, new world, perfect body, etc. The Theocracy appealed to those with a fear of communism and a hatred for the Catholics and other religions.

  After the fascist party takes power, its members replace the men and women in the executive, judicial, and legislative branches of the government. In most cases, one individual—usually a dictator with great popular appeal—becomes the leader of the government. Sometimes, a committee of party members holds the government leadership. Fascists permit no other political party and no opposition to their policies. (ibid)

  After The Theocracy [Joseph Rutherford] took power, it's members took the Watch Tower Society's leadership positions as executive, judicial, and legislative branches of the organization. After a brief intra-Society power struggle, Joseph Franklin Rutherford emerged as the clear leader. Today the leadership is a dictatorial committee called, "The Governing Body" made up of members who have proven their loyalty to the system installed largely by Rutherford. The Theocracy permits no other political party and no opposition to their policies.

  The fascist desire for national glory leads to an increase in military spirit and a build-up of the armed forces. After the military forces become strong enough, they may invade and occupy other countries. (ibid)

  The Theocracy considers itself to be in "Theocratic Warfare" and "publishers" are seen as theocratic soldiers fighting a "spiritual battle". Congregations, in recent history, were known as "companies". Members are referred to as the "rank and file". Numbers of spiritual soldiers [publishers] are seen as proof of divine direction and the armies have advanced upon every country in the world.

  Economic Life. A fascist government permits and even encourages private enterprise—as long as such activity serves the government's goals. However, the government maintains strict control of industry to make sure it produces what the nation needs. The government discourages imports by putting high tariffs on certain essential products or by banning imports of those products. It does not want to depend on other countries for such vital products as oil and steel. (ibid)

  The Theocracy form of government of The Watch Tower Society permits and even encourages private enterprise to a degree—as long as such activity serves the government's goals. However, The Theocracy maintains strict control of member owned industry to make sure it produces what the Society needs. The Society discourages member's buying and reading independent Bible commentaries and other products not produced by the Theocracy's factories. It does not want to depend on [other] business to produce reading and research material for the "rank and file".

  The government also forbids strikes so that production will not be interrupted. Fascism outlaws labor unions and replaces them with a network of organizations in the major industries. These organizations, which consist of both workers and employers, are called corporations, but they differ from those in other countries. Fascist corporations supposedly represent both labor and management but actually are controlled by the government. Through the corporations, the government determines wages, hours, and production goals. As a result, a fascist country is sometimes called a corporative state. (ibid)

  The Theocracy uses guilt and fear to keep members from taking vacations [silent strikes] from "service" [fundraising and recruiting]. The Society has installed it's own network of organization guidelines and directives as well as the necessary enforcement representatives in the member's lives. Individual congregations, as well as every facet of the group member's life, are controlled by the Theocratic government and it's official representatives. Through the individual congregations, the Theocracy government determines member's privileges, schedules their required activities, and reinforces their Theocratic goals.

  Personal Liberty is severely limited under a fascist government. For example, the government limits travel to other countries and restricts any contact with their people. The government also controls the newspapers, radio, and other means of communication in its country. It issues propaganda to promote its policies, and it practices strict censorship to silence opposing views. All children are required to join youth organizations, where they exercise, march, and learn fascist beliefs. A secret police force crushes any resistance. Opposition may lead to imprisonment, torture, and death. (ibid)

  Personal liberty is severely limited under The Watch Tower Society's Theocratic government. For example, the government limits association with [other] churches and discourages any personal contact with their people. The Theocratic government also controls the information it's members have access to. It issues it's own propaganda to promote it's policies, and it practices strict censorship to silence opposing views, ostracizing members who admit to reading information critical of the Society. All children are intimidated to begin service and silent meeting attendance at an early age by parents who will not be eligible for privileges [unpaid group jobs] unless children comply. Children of privileged adults are required to learn Theocratic beliefs and to behave as though they accept these as fact, sometimes as a condition for them to remain a resident of the family home. A structured enforcement system exists to guarantee enforced compliance with the dictatorial committee's directives, including convention "attendants" [private police], organizationally directed as well as freelance surveillance of group members, and the powerful "elder arrangement", which judges members compliance to the "directives" in secret trials called "judicial committee meetings", where the leadership selected, all male panel issues summonses, hears witness testimony, reads charges, determines innocence or guilt, and passes sentence on the accused. Often the sentence is a "disfellowshiping order", under which members in good standing are required to snub and shun errant members even if they are relatives.

  Fascists consider all other peoples inferior to those of their own nationality group. As a result, a fascist government may persecute or even kill Gypsies, Jews, or members of other minority groups. (ibid)

  The Theocracy considers all [other] business, government, and religion inferior to their own and operated for the benefit of the power of evil. As a result the Theocratic government of the Watch Tower Society may persecute by ostracism members and leaders of opposing [all] business, political, governmental, and religious institutions [organizations], including shunning, snubbing, and verbal as well as printed attacks and public name calling. (Chaplinsky V. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 58)

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  "The Truth" simplified, Gary Busselman

  by Celia in

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  someone was asking for a copy of a watchtower from january 1, 1989.. so i went looking in a suitcase full of thes magazines.

  i have one from 1989, but it is october.

  most of the mags i have are 1998, 1999 and 2000.. anyway, as i was going through the stuff in that suitcase, i found a copy of an article i printed from the net, when i was writing a paper for a class in college.... it's called, the truth as i see it, or "the truth simplified" by gary busselman.

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  Hi Julie,

  Sold the last bike 2 years ago. The car feels better now:-)

  Bob is younger than me. The world is younger than me. He can stand the cold and the rain and the wind.

  I did see most of the country on 2 wheels. Rode the west coast when I was 50. I am so glad I did that. I never would have done that if I had stayed a Witness. I would have deferred playing like that till the *new world* and worked and died and missed my own life waiting for a mirage.

  We have known so many Witnesses who refused an education or skipped that one big opportunity that would have allowed them and their families to have some comfort and security and a better life. I was almost one of them.

  I was a Witness in 1963 when I bought that first Harley, a red 1948 panhead hardtail 74. I had a good time with that bike but there was a sort of a feeling that I was stealing from someone every time I went for a day's ride. Every time I had some fun I had guilt too. Like there was something wrong with it. There were those who did in fact think I was sinning by taking some time to enjoy myself and I did let them influence me to a degree.

  Now the guilt is gone and most all of life is enjoyable.

  I was in Denver last June. Didn't know you guys were in Colorado.

  Peace,

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  "The Truth" simplified, Gary Busselman

  by Celia in

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  someone was asking for a copy of a watchtower from january 1, 1989.. so i went looking in a suitcase full of thes magazines.

  i have one from 1989, but it is october.

  most of the mags i have are 1998, 1999 and 2000.. anyway, as i was going through the stuff in that suitcase, i found a copy of an article i printed from the net, when i was writing a paper for a class in college.... it's called, the truth as i see it, or "the truth simplified" by gary busselman.

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  Celia wrote: <garybuss, You are Gary Busselman, you post on this board ?>

  Yes Celia. I'll stop if you want me to :-)

  I get confused just thinking about it.

  I have appreciated your posts. Thanks for being here.

  Yes Jim, I remember when you first started posting and I remember your brother too. Hope he is well. Much has changed since the early 90's. I almost can't believe the mess the Society has itself in now. Way worse than I ever feared. I pity my poor relatives who have to try to make a serious stand for the corporation in this situation.

  Farkel, you have been my icon for years. You keep me laughing. Thanks!
  
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  "The Truth" simplified, Gary Busselman

  by Celia in

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  someone was asking for a copy of a watchtower from january 1, 1989.. so i went looking in a suitcase full of thes magazines.

  i have one from 1989, but it is october.

  most of the mags i have are 1998, 1999 and 2000.. anyway, as i was going through the stuff in that suitcase, i found a copy of an article i printed from the net, when i was writing a paper for a class in college.... it's called, the truth as i see it, or "the truth simplified" by gary busselman.

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  WT labels views of 'critics' as MOST UNRELIABLE

  by Insider in

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  wt labels views of persons who disagree with them as most unreliable.. follow the link to the official wt statement against all critics:.

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  http://www.jw-media.org/vnr/2122827332/3143732856.htm

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  Obviously Jehovah's earthly organization has abandoned it's long standing policy of ignoring criticizers and vocal dissidents.
  
  I wonder . . . why?
  
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  NEW JW POLICY POSTED!!!

  by amac in

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  i don't know if anyone has posted on this already but there is a new press release at http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm that defines the current jw policy and i believe it has taken a step in the right direction!.

  although they have not literally changed it to require reporting to the authorities in all states, they have finally put into print the following: "additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.".

  i am glad to see, straight from the wt, acknowledgement that the adults involved have every right to go to the police.

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  Jehovah's earthly organization wrote: "We do not believe that our system is perfect."
  
  http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm
  
  
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  WT officially admits their system is NOT PERFECT

  by Insider in

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  follow the link to wt official admission.

  second to last paragraph contains the admission.. .

  http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm

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  Jehovah's earthly organization wrote: "Suppose, for example, that a long time ago a 16-year-old boy had sexual relations with a consenting 15-year-old girl."

  I was not aware that a 15 year old could give consent. Can they?
  
  
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