JWs as a group are decent people
I was at the circuit assembly. All three hundred of these decent people stuck their noses in the air and walked right past me without so much as looking at me, let alone speaking.
garybuss
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Why Not Just Let It Go?
by ikhandi ini am fairly new to this board, but have been lurking for awhile before i decided to become a registered member.
i have read many posts old and new and can't help but wonder why many of you just don't let it go?
some of you have expressed bitterness and disgust over what the wts has done to you.
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what is Reformed Jehovahs Witnesses?
by overthehillgrandma ini saw a web site about this..does anyone know what it is?.
btw i am a grandma to three, mother to three, wife of thirty one yrs to the same wonderfull man... hello to all of you!
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Analysis of the psychological methods used for recruiting and dealings with the members within the cult, based on publications of Jehovah's Witnesses /1, 2, 5, 8, 9, 13, 14/ , clearly shows that the main purpose of their activity is to increase the number of followers in order to mentally, psychologically and financially exploit them. All other aspects of their activity are secondary. Recruiting new members and expanding the sphere of influence is all that matters.
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Why Not Just Let It Go?
by ikhandi ini am fairly new to this board, but have been lurking for awhile before i decided to become a registered member.
i have read many posts old and new and can't help but wonder why many of you just don't let it go?
some of you have expressed bitterness and disgust over what the wts has done to you.
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garybuss
Ikhandi, These are two of the reasons I will never let it go.
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Bryant family memorial
by Mulan inmy mother's cousin sent this to me, from their local newspaper.
mom would have a fit, if she knew he sent it to me.
http://www.enrichinglives.com/bryant.jpg
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Blondie, I have been trying to use the "insert picture from web link" tool and I can't get it to work. Thanks! gary
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Bryant family memorial
by Mulan inmy mother's cousin sent this to me, from their local newspaper.
mom would have a fit, if she knew he sent it to me.
http://www.enrichinglives.com/bryant.jpg
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How Would You Handle This?
by Undecided ini've been expressing myself about some of my doubts about god being an active creature in our life and my doubts about christ being the son of god.
i didn't know the young grandkids were listening sometimes when i was talking to the adults.
my daughter was telling my wife that her 10 year old son was crying to her because he was afraid of dying since god and christ wasn't real.
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Seems to me that one obvious choice involved in the of freedom of religion, is freedom from religion. To be taught like I was, that there is no freedom from religion, is to control, not inform. In my opinion, an education that does not include the option to look at the history of the invention of the idea of gods, and understands that that history has equal merit, is not an education at all. Equal, that is, to the dogmatic claims of the believers that blind belief without proof is rational.
To deny the history of the invention of god is to label all history deniable, and teaches the student that she may, at will, deny all history that she chooses to not look at, that does not agree with her resolutions. That brain that rejects the rational for the irrational will accept the requests of the irrational dictator or the irrational cult leader without question, based on the learned ability to filter information and substitute opinion for fact with seeming impunity.
I say teach the students the facts and let them make their own minds up. And never require them to make a decision with lifelong consequences, like I was coerced into doing, without full disclosure and the benefit of adult maturity.
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Have We Really Been Lied To?
by sandy inwe were told that the brothers in mexico had been oppressed by the government, so that they could not sing or pray at meetings.
we were not told that the society had registered as a "cultural" organization because religious organizations were not allowed to own property in mexico.
as a "cultural" organization, the brothers were obliged to downplay the religious aspect.
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I think the information is in Crisis Of Conscience available at
http://www.freeminds.org/sales/books.htm#crisis
Someone may be able to confirm this. Maybe there are some Mexican Witnesses who will comment to the thread.
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Anointed VS. G.B.: Who is Faithful Slave Class?
by Liberty inplmkrzy's post about the wt article on who should partake of the "emblems" really brings to light a serious contradiction in the watch tower society's own convoluted theology.
many here have already pointed out these contradictions but i think it needs repeating in a clear post of its own.
if, as this new wt article claims, an anointed one does not have any "greater understanding" of scripture than the non-anointed then what happens to the old teaching that the anointed are regularly in communication with jah's holy spirit and transmit these communications to the wt society's leadership?
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"The Temple" and "the Chieftain" Today
15 What, though, is the relationship today between the anointed priestly class and such older men who, as part of the great crowd, are serving in positions of oversight? Ezekiel’s vision suggests that the elders who are members of the great crowd have a supportive and subordinate role, while the anointed take the spiritual lead. How so? Remember, the priests in the vision were given the responsibility to instruct the people in spiritual matters. They were also told to act as judges in legal cases. Additionally, the Levites were assigned to “posts of oversight” in the temple gates. (Ezekiel 44:11, 23, 24) Clearly, the chieftain was to submit to the spiritual services and leadership of the priests. It is fitting, then, that in modern times the anointed have taken the lead in pure worship. For example, the members of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses have been chosen from among them. Such faithful anointed elders have been training the developing chieftain class for decades, preparing prospective members of this class for the day when they will be delegated their full measure of authority in God’s new world to come. (The Watchtower, March 1, 1999 p.16) ***
There is new understand here and the "non-spirit-directed anointed" Watchtower quote was the hammer that drives the new light nail. The Society now has "Priests". The Governing body sees themselves as the collective High Priest of the Priestly class of the Jewish system or religious ritual. And the book publishing corporation workers under them are "chieftains".
The "anointed class" is out of power. Now the "Priests" are in power and next are the "Chiefs", then the elders, and if an anointed sins he confesses to a "great crowd" elder.
I submit the following for consideration:The Watchtower, March 1, 1999 p. 9-10 "Set Your Heart Upon" God's Temple!
8 The vision also refers to one called the chieftain . Ever since the days of Moses, the nation had had chieftains. The Hebrew word for chieftain, na·si´', could refer to a head of a paternal house, a tribe, or even a nation. In Ezekiel’s vision, Israel’s rulers as a class are rebuked for oppressing the people and are exhorted to be fair and just. Although not of the priestly class , the chieftain is active in a prominent way in pure worship. He enters and exits the outer courtyard with the nonpriestly tribes, sits in the porch of the East Gate, and provides some of the sacrifices for the people to offer. (Ezekiel 44:2, 3; 45:8-12, 17) The vision thus assured Ezekiel’s people that the restored nation would be blessed with exemplary leaders, men who would support the priesthood in organizing God’s people and be fine examples in spiritual matters.ibid: p.
12-13 "Set Your Heart Upon" God's Temple! The Vision Focuses on Our Own Day19
Ezekiel saw a temple that needed to be cleansed of idolatry and spiritual fornication. (Ezekiel 43:7-9) This surely could not apply to the worship of Jehovah in Paradise. Furthermore, the priests of the vision picture the anointed priestly class while still on earth, not after their heavenly resurrection or during the Millennium. Why? Note that the priests are pictured as serving in the inner courtyard. Articles in previous issues of The Watchtower have shown that this courtyard pictures the unique spiritual standing of Christ’s underpriests while they are still on the earth. Observe also that the vision stresses the imperfection of the priests. They are told to offer sacrifices for their own sins. They are warned of the danger of becoming unclean—spiritually and morally. So they do not picture the resurrected anointed ones, of whom the apostle Paul wrote: "The trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible." (1 Corinthians 15:52; Ezekiel 44:21, 22, 25, 27) The priests in the vision mingle with and serve the people directly. This will not be so in Paradise, when the priestly class will be in heaven. The vision provides, therefore, a fine picture of the way the anointed work closely with the "great crowd" on earth today.—Revelation 7:9; Ezekiel 42:14.
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This was all set up in the mid 1990's. Here is the result:
Governing Body
Date of birth
John Barr (b. 1913)
Carey Barber (b. 1905)
Milton Henschel (b. 1920)
Samuel Herd (b. 1935)
Theodore Jaracz (b. 1925)
Karl Klein (b. 1905)
Steve Lett (b. 1949)
Gerrit Losch (b. 1941)
Guy Pierce (b. 1934)
Albert Schroeder (b. 1911)
David Splane (b. 1944)
Lyman Swingle (b. 1910)
Daniel Sydlik (b. 1919)Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania (Incorporated 1884)
President Don A. Adams
Vice Presidents Robert W. Wallen, William F. Malenfant
Secretary/Treasurer Richard E. Abrahamson
Directors Danny L. Bland, Philip D. Wilcox, John N. WischukWatchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (Incorporated 1909)
President Max H. Larson
Vice Presidents George M. Couch, Lonnie R. Schilling
Secretary/Treasurer Gerald F. Simonis
Directors Gerald D. Grizzle, David G. Sinclair, Robert M. PevyChristian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses (Incorporated 2000)
President William L. Van De Wall
Vice Presidents Charles I. Woody, Leon Weaver, Jr.
Secretary/Treasurer William H. Nonkes
Directors Harold K. Jackson, Merton V. Campbell, Stanley F. WeigelReligious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses (Incorporated 2000)
President Patrick J. LaFranca
Vice Presidents Peter D. Molchan, Ralph E. Walls
Secretary/Treasurer Joseph D. Mercante
Directors Marvin G. Smalley, Kenneth J. Pulcifer, Eugene D. Rosam, Jr.Kingdom Support Services, Inc. (Incorporated 2000)
President Harold L. Corkern
Vice Presidents Alan D. Janzen, Robert L. Butler
Secretary/Treasurer Alexander W. Reinmueller
Directors James F. Mantz, Jr., Thomas Kalimeris, Alan G. BrowningWatchtower Bible and Tract Society of New Jersey, Inc. (Incorporated 1955)
President Charles V. Molohan
Vice Presidents James L. Bauer, J. Richard Brown
Secretary/Treasurer Alan K. Flowers
Directors Allen E. Shuster, David L. Walker, Vernon C. Wisegarver Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Florida, Inc. (Incorporated 1986) President Leonard R. Pearson
Vice Presidents Alejandro G. Rodriguez, Maurice C. Turcot
Secretary/Treasurer Mark L. Questell
Directors Jim Moody, Sr., Anselm J. Packnett, Donald R. Krebs Valley Farms Corporation (Incorporated 1987) President Charles J. Rice
Vice Presidents Kent E. Fischer, Robert L. Rains
Secretary/Treasurer Albert L. Harrell
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ARMAGEDDON INC The Saturday Evening Post 1940
by garybuss inarmageddon inc. by stanley high.
the saturday evening post.
september 14, 1940. .
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Thanks Gopher, I had to use the camera for page 18 and 19 because the pages are too large to fit in the scanner. The total article takes up 7 pages. This is a strong article and reflects the violent manner of the Rutherford groupers. This article is also credible support for the book 30 Years A Watch Tower Slave.
The Witnesses look like a gang and Rutherford and his bodyguards look like a line up of thugs.
I'm just sorry it all couldn't have been true and I'm just sorry they had absolutely no answers to my questions. It wasn't they had no answers, although answers would have been nice, it was their reaction to my even asking questions that shocked me.
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ARMAGEDDON INC The Saturday Evening Post 1940
by garybuss inarmageddon inc. by stanley high.
the saturday evening post.
september 14, 1940. .
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Can anyone see those pictures on the links I posted? I may have not figured how to work this new board yet. Someone please let me know. If you need the links or copies e-mailed to you just mail me at [email protected]