Posts by GeddyLee

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Watchtower lies through their teeth.

by GeddyLee in

i just returned from some nice r@r in cancun mexico.

while i was their i had some time to go downtown to their municipal offices, and confront one of their officials face to face on whether the jehovahs witnesses were ever banned in their country.having read crisis of concsience , i have always been interested in finding out the truth of this matter for myself.

whether they were actually under a ban, or was it the watchtowers way of holding on to their real estate.

GeddyLee

Here is the response I just received from the Mexican consulate. Again the witnesses were never under any ban as we were lead to believe. The witnesses were forbidden to worship properly because the watchtower leadership felt it was more important to retain ownership of their real estate.

Dear XXXXXXXXXXXX

Regarding your question:

Mexican constitution in its chapter 1, guarantees freedom of religion. Indeed, the 24th article of the constitution establishes that all people are free to profess the religious beliefs that her/he likes and practice all ceremonies and cult activities unless these violate the law. The Congress can neither establish nor abolish one religion. The religious acts should be celebrated in temples, otherwise should be under specific rules.

Mexican government had never banned Jehovahs Witness or any other religion group.

Hugo Rangel

Consulate of Mexico

Hello, I have a very important question that I really hope you can help me with. I am doing personal research on the Jehovahs witness group in Mexico, and I need to know whether the Mexican government ever had a ban on this group from worshiping in Mexico. I used to belong to this religion years ago, and was in Cancun in the early nineties, and went to a Jehovahs witness meeting, and we were told that we couldnt use our bibles, or sing hymns at this gathering because the Mexican government banned their worship. Since I have left this group , I have learned from different sources that the Witnesses were never banned in Mexico, but the leaders of the group said they were in order to keep their real estate they had there. I believe I was lied to by the witnesses, and would very much appreciate an answer to my question, as it would be a huge assistance to me. Thankyou in advance for your help with this matter, xxxxxxxxxx

Edited by - geddylee on 6 January 2003 15:30:16

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Isn't this great

by ballistic in

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friends

isn't it just great we can all have fellowship together?

or am i just having another manic episode?

i mean, if this was the 60's could us ex-jws associate in this way???.

GeddyLee

Hi Stan, No havent touched the blue bottle yet. I m up here in Toronto and have been for the last couple of days. The spits have been on a road trip through eastern ontario, and thought it would be a great way to see some road games on the company. Did you get my email about vanmasterflogger? I had a chance to thank him the other day for him along with hood, and gibson for being responsible for opening my eyes. Hey we should be getting together soon to toast the young fellas engagment, what do you think?

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Isn't this great

by ballistic in

jw
friends

isn't it just great we can all have fellowship together?

or am i just having another manic episode?

i mean, if this was the 60's could us ex-jws associate in this way???.

GeddyLee

Just my 2 cents(.00000000000063)cents US. I think that the amount of time it takes to detoxify from something as traumatic as exiting a cult, is equal to the length and severity of the indoctrination one has gone through. I know for myself, I was raised by witness fanatics. I was grounded to my room any saturday that I didnt go out in service. After three day assemblies, I wasnt allowed to go out with the other witness kids, instead I was told by my dad that I had to go and "ponder" on the things I learned for the last three days. I could go on and on, but indeed the indoctrination in my case and Im sure many others here was extreme to say the least. I must also add that everyone here has to at some time say that sufficient healing has taken place, and "Must" move on from here. If not we have exchanged our religious addiction for another sort of addiction, which in essance is no healing at all. Best of luck to everyone.

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Christianity vs Islam

by Stan Conroy in

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doesn't the conflict in the middle east between christians and muslims really boil down to a bunch of children arguing over who has the biggest imaginery friend?

stan

GeddyLee

Ya Stan, I have to agree with you on this one. Blood, death, suffering, and hatred. All in the name of their Gods.

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What Are Some Of The STUPIDEST Comments Made?

by minimus in

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what are some of the stupidest comments made in the watchtower, or by a circuit overseer or elder that you've never forgotten?

the one about" the rapist being human" too, ranks right up there....like we're supposed to feel bad for him?

GeddyLee

Hey Stan, Do you remember that dolt, Tom Jarbeau? He gave that forty minute prayer once, and thanked God for the white picket fences, and the wine, food, and groceries?????!!!? He also prayed for our furnaces so they wouldnt malfunction, so our brains wouldnt freeze?????!!! How about smokin jim frazier, he had that fascination with sex. He could change any topic while giving his talks into something sex related. I remember him once trying to tie in the plagues that were poured out on Egypt to the evils of oral sex. Yup a three ringed circus it was that old Central hall. Geddy

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What Are Some Of The STUPIDEST Comments Made?

by minimus in

jw
friends

what are some of the stupidest comments made in the watchtower, or by a circuit overseer or elder that you've never forgotten?

the one about" the rapist being human" too, ranks right up there....like we're supposed to feel bad for him?

GeddyLee

Hi Trocul, Ya hearing things like that come out of peoples mouths is so scary, its acutally funny. The real sad part is that the MS was my dad. He s the same one that thought I had started taking drugs and was hallucinating, when I showed him an illustration in one of the crothtowers with a demonic picture subliminally placed there that was so obivious. I love him, but its true when they say that "there are none so blind, then those who refuse to see" As for Rush, they finished their tour last month with a couple of dates in Brazil. I did catch them quite a few times this time around, NYC, Houton, San Antonio, and Toronto. They put on arguably the best show of their careers this tour. Did you get a chance to go?

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Waht is a Jehovah-Witness

by No_one_shall_know_my_name in

i haven't really got into the research but what really is a jehovah-witness?could anyone answer that for me.well someone has to know.

GeddyLee

Unfortunate victims, of a cruel, heartless cult, run by greedy heartless morons.

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Background of those leaving

by freedom96 in

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who are the majority that are leaving?.

are they those who grew up as witnesses, and this generation realized that this is not the true religion and leave?.

or maybe a witness who had a position of power, such as an elder or ms, or maybe had some insight from bethel, and saw too much?.

GeddyLee

Yikes!! sharing the gaunchies with hubby? I hope you flipped em so that the skidders were on the outside.

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Are elders more spiritual

by JH in

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are elders more spiritual or just better qualified to teach?

does the watchtower choose their leaders for their spirituality or their leadership?

GeddyLee

Well Stan, if your theory is correct. Than the holy spirt got a hold of some refractive mirrors, and maybe some fibre optic cables in order to shine that light on me. I say this because the night my appointment was announced to the congregation, I was at a hockey playoff game, there was no way on earth I was missing that game, we won too, so maybe the holy spirit really did direct things afterall. Geddy

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What Are Some Of The STUPIDEST Comments Made?

by minimus in

jw
friends

what are some of the stupidest comments made in the watchtower, or by a circuit overseer or elder that you've never forgotten?

the one about" the rapist being human" too, ranks right up there....like we're supposed to feel bad for him?

GeddyLee

Circa 1993- Actual conversation that took place between a Ministerial servant and myself... Me- "Im telling you that I am certain the watchtower is going to change their doctrine about the 1914 generation thing". Ministerial servant -" They will never change this understanding, the brothers are not wrong, this is Gods understanding of this date not ours............ fast forward to Circa 1995- Said to same Ministerial servant-" You see I told you they would change this, they had to, they painted themselves into a corner.....Ministerial servant-" OOOOhhhh please they didnt change anything. THIS WAS ONLY A CYRSTALIZATION OF TRUTH" as he looks at me like Ive completely lost my mind! There has to be some humour in this, I just cant find it yet. Geddy

Edited by - geddylee on 1 January 2003 13:17:30

Edited by - geddylee on 1 January 2003 14:19:56