I found Vincent Toole's address at whitepages.com.au. I'm going to write to him, referencing the article in The Age (along with Jeffro's quotes from the Society's literature), and ask him if he was quoted correctly.
Think he'll respond?
http://www.theage.com.au/national/jehovahs-witnesses-a-cruel-cult-20130315-2g5x3.htmlit's hotting up in australia regarding cults, especially tax free like jws but how is the response of vin toole (the australian wts legal mouth piece) regarding shunning!.
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I found Vincent Toole's address at whitepages.com.au. I'm going to write to him, referencing the article in The Age (along with Jeffro's quotes from the Society's literature), and ask him if he was quoted correctly.
Think he'll respond?
any gamers out there?
i love a good game.
to me a great game is like a great book!
I just turned 50 and still like video games, but not the shoot-em-up types. My favorites are ones like the Myst series (Riven, Exile, et al) and the Zelda games. Recently I downloaded an emulator for my PC and started playing Zelda: Twilight Princess for the first time.
I'll have to check out Ni No Kuni.
no, not 'made in taiwan,' but actually in taiwan.. i thought you might enjoy some photos of yours truly engaging in heathen activities while wearing my new sparlock t-shirt.
i'm not really a taoist/buddhist, but sporting the warrior wizard shirt while burning incense in the temple made me feel like some kind of naughty double-apostate .
the one-hundred+ year-old wu fu ("five fortunes") temple, near my apartment.
@NewYork44M I'm in Taoyuan County, in Luzhu Township. I see you have a Taiwan flag on your avatar. Are you from Taiwan?
I checked the image URLs and don't recognize where I uploaded them. Hmmm...
image of ahmadinejad consoling chavezs mother angers iranian clericsapparently, showing compassion to a grieving mother is a sin in islam.
the image drew the immediate fury of tehran's religious conservatives.
no unrelated women can be touched unless she is drowning at sea or needs medical treatment," hojat al-islam hossein ibrahimi, a cleric at the society of militant clergy, said, according to iran's al-monitor.
Apparently, showing compassion to a grieving mother is a sin in Islam.
The image drew the immediate fury of Tehran's religious conservatives. “No unrelated women can be touched unless she is drowning at sea or needs medical treatment," Hojat al-Islam Hossein Ibrahimi, a cleric at the Society of Militant Clergy, said, according to Iran's Al-Monitor .
So let's pretend it never happened...
Some of Ahmadinejad's supporters insisted the image was fake, digitally altered from a different photo showing the Iranian leader embracing an older man. But as The New York Times noted, the man-hug image was quickly debunked as a Photoshop job.
And my favorite online comment:
Wow, you Muslims seem to go out of your way to show that you hate women. He was comforting a bereaved woman who had just lost her son. Get over your knee-jerk misogyny. It's not like he bent her over the coffin to give her a ride - it was a hug.
Story here.
no, not 'made in taiwan,' but actually in taiwan.. i thought you might enjoy some photos of yours truly engaging in heathen activities while wearing my new sparlock t-shirt.
i'm not really a taoist/buddhist, but sporting the warrior wizard shirt while burning incense in the temple made me feel like some kind of naughty double-apostate .
the one-hundred+ year-old wu fu ("five fortunes") temple, near my apartment.
Hmm, what happened to my photos? Did a demonized Smurf run off with them?
in 1976, my friend bruce price was in contact with jehovahs witnesses who had become disillusioned through the debacle with 1975. bruce was the leading voice among the sda ministry in working for jws.
at the time, i was a member of the sda church.
although i left them about 25 years ago, to this day bruce and i enjoy a strong and genuinely warm friendship.. so, in 1976 bruce invited me to a meeting with one of the jws who was leading the disquiet in his congregation in dandenong (victoria, australia).
NeverKnew You have a PM
http://www.believermag.com/issues/201302/?read=article_scorah.
i found it a very interesting read.
the article was linked on one of my fav websites digg.
@TheOldHippie, I live in Taiwan. I know life here and have interacted with JWs both in Taiwan and from the mainland. I've spoken with Amber, who used to work for ChinesePod in Shanghai. Her story is all too true.
Nice try yourself.
for years, i was told this..... " anyone who leaves the org is bitter, sad, and worse off, why do you think they come back???
guess what guys i am the opposite, now i quit cold-turkey (looking back, i should have faded correctly) i am planning on going to the memorial this month just to hear all "the friends" tell me how much they missed me.
since i have left the meetings, (jan. was my last meeting, i think).
That old canard really goes deep, the number of JW's that I greet and talk to, who say "How are you?" and when I tell them, they repeat it !! "Yes, but how are you ?", silently adding the word "really", they simply cannot beleive that I am happier than I have ever been, in all ways.
That religion is a miserable, depressing, debilitating one, as soon as you walk away for good, a huge weight is lifted from you.
From then on you progress to finding the real "you" and to realising that the world is a wonderful place, full of wonderful, lovely people, full of opportunity and real hope, the WT/JW world is simply full of s**t.
Amen to what Phizzy said!
Honestly, though, as happy as I am now, I find that since leaving I'm more afraid of dying. It's something that I'm steadily working through.
PS: I don't know why I can't get the 'quote' feature to work correctly.
i was baptised --1963. left in 1978. fifteen years.
pre-baptism, another 5 years.
I'm male.
Born in (1963)
Baptized at age 20 (1983)
Last meeting at age 36 (1999)
So, baptized and "in" for 16 years
But, in my opinion...
Under the spell: 36 years
Free!: 14 years (I just turned 50 yesterday)
i can't believe how horrid this experience was.
first, the thought of going into a kh again filled me with total anxiety and even nausea.. .
second, couldn't believe how much time it took to get ready to get there.
Muddy Waters, your words perfectly describe my experience and feelings the two times I went to a KH funeral post-fade. NEVER AGAIN.