as the shepherd the flock book is now in the public domain, if the .org decides to create a new manual, how soon will it be leaked?.
this is mostly a question for wifibandit, but anyone else who may know is welcome to answer.
would it be a matter of days before we get a .pdf?
I'm sure it will be in "apostate" hands & read before the vast majority of elders even knew a new manual was released.
The new CO video is a prime example. WifiBandit & Pixel provide us all with spiritual food at the proper time, and by that I mean before every other JW.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/03/jehovahs-witnesses-let-repentant-child-sex-abusers-return-to-church.
excuse the typo in subject heading.
i'm watching the royal commission hearings and trying to post this link to the guardian at the same time.
I would have the word "repentent" in, well... quotes.
The very first sentence of the article does have it in quotes actually
The Jehovah’s Witnesses church let “repentant” child sex abusers return to the congregation, who were then kept in the dark about their crimes, an alleged abuse victim has claimed.
https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
anyone know who this monty baker is?
i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".
Did she just torpedo the JW? I think she just said a standard of practice she would recommend is never to allow a former child abuser to be in a ministry position. Maybe she doesn't know that JW's appoint child abusers again as MS or elders.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
The sound cuts out everytime he says someone's name. You'll see him flinch like he's having a stroke each time he realizes what he did.
It's live, but delayed slightly so they can mute.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
whether any consideration of those outside the congregation was made when deciding to reprove sex offenders who may reoffend in the community.That hit me hard. I'm ashamed to say I never considered that aspect before. Being a born-in, we have the mentality that it's us against the "world", quite literally.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
He's just trying to save his own ass in this case. Even the Elder book says a confession OR two witnesses is sufficient. He's screwed from both ends on this one.So in addition to victims' testimony, the judicial committee gets a confession from the wrongdoer and they choose not believe it, because they are not sure if the wrongdoer really means to confess. How crazy is that?
the press is reporting that over 1,000 cases of abuse were hidden from authorities in australia.. australia has around 68,000 publishers.. if you that ratio applied to the u.s. also, there could be over 14,700 cases that were covered up here.. if the ratio held the same worldwide, that would be over 117,600 cases.. just let that sink in a little..
Cappytan, it's much worse than that. That's 1006 case files. Each pedophile may have abused more than one child.
"During the investigation of this case study, Watchtower Australia produced some 5,000 documents pursuant to summonses issued by the Royal Commission on 4 and 28 February 2015. Those documents include 1,006 case files relating to allegations of child sexual abuse made against members of the Jehovah’s Witness Church in Australia since 1950 – each file for a different alleged perpetrator of child sexual abuse"
And these are just cases that were reported.