Jesus called Peter Satan. He called Judas Devil. Peter and Judas were Satan and Devil, human beings. The same Jesus would have called a pharisee Satan or Devil. It is clear Jesus called humans Satan/Devil. Matthew 4 does not mention that the Satan there was a spirit. From where do people get that conclusion that the tempter was a spirit? The text simply does not say. The tempter retired until another convenient time. It was pharisees who showed up at different convenient times testing Jesus. Gospels are replete with accounts of humans testing Jesus. A human said, "if you are the son of God," come off that cross. It may as well have been a human saying "if you are the son of God" turn these stones into bread. They asked him to give them manner from heaven as a sign, some slapped him and wanted him to miraculously identify the slapper. It was humans who doubted Jesus who repeatedly tempted him, asking for signs. Those who believed him however were saved. The temptation account does not say the Satan there was a spirit. Satan was Peter at one time, a human. Devil (diabolos) was Judas at another time. There is no reason why a human devil or satan would not perfectly fit the tempter in Matthew 4 and Luke 4.
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After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).
by quincemyles inafter jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.
the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.
jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.
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After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).
by quincemyles inafter jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.
the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.
jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.
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Neat blue dog and Simon, "all kingdoms of the world" refers to the kingdoms of Israel, the world of the Jews. High priests were appointed by Herodian kings to rule over Israel. In Luke 4:6, the pharisaic ruler alluded to that acquisition of authority over Israel from a Herodian king. Cofty, That Satan the Devil who tested Jesus Christ with scripture quotes was a human being who wanted to see if Jesus really had what it takes to be a promised Messiah. When Jesus was getting baptized, there were pharisees watching. Matthew 3:7,13. They heard John declare him to be the "lamb that takes away the sin of the world" and a voice from heaven declared him "God's son." John 1:29-34.Then he went fasting for 40 days and 40 nights. Word went around among the Pharisees. Consequently, a Hebrew scholar and ruler went to vet Christ to really see whether what John and the voice from heaven declared was true. If you are the son of God, do so and so the testing went. The tester was not sure if Jesus was really the son of God, so he wanted to see him use the messianic power to prove his son-ship. The tester was someone who respected the bible which is why he respected Jesus' responses with scripture quotes. For suggesting to test God, Jesus called the Hebrew scholar Satan in the same way that he called Peter Satan for suggesting that Christ avoids suffering in Jerusalem at the hands of the elders. Mark 8:31-33, Matt 4:7, Deut. 6:16, 1 Cor. 10:9,
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After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).
by quincemyles inafter jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.
the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.
jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.
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cofty, would you be kind as to provide scriptures that say the tester was a spirit rather than a man? -
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After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not a fallen angel).
by quincemyles inafter jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow.
the tester was a pharisee of the ruling class.
jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named satan the devil.
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After Jesus fasted for 40 days, he was tempted by a man (not an evil angel) to turn stones into bread, jump from the temple and bow. The tester was a pharisee of the ruling class. Jehovah's witnesses believe the tester to have been an evil spirit or leader of fallen angels named Satan the devil. Their erroneous inference is dependent largely on oral tradition than what the bible actually teaches.
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whats so bad about believing people go to heaven?
by sowhatnow init occurred to me today, that so often, my mother will make the comment that .
"those false religions teach that everyone is going to heaven when they die, oh sure, .
all you have to do is be a good person, and off you go to heaven.
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How the Bible disproves the JWs' 1914 invisible presence doctrine.
by Island Man inwatchtower teaches jws that christ's presence began invisibly in 1914. they also teach that the start of christ's presence coincides with the start of the last days.
whether you believe in the bible or not, watchtower claims these teachings come from the bible.
so does the bible actually agree with them?
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We (in the 21st century) are not living in the biblical "last days."
by quincemyles inall that jesus spoke about in matthew 24 was fulfilled in the first century.
all of jesus' warnings in that passage were relevant only to natural jews.
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Well Jesus returned in kingdom glory within the lifetime of his first disciples. Revelation 1:7 features a message John was given to inform first century Christians to behold (Look out for) the then coming King on the clouds. -
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We (in the 21st century) are not living in the biblical "last days."
by quincemyles inall that jesus spoke about in matthew 24 was fulfilled in the first century.
all of jesus' warnings in that passage were relevant only to natural jews.
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All that Jesus spoke about in Matthew 24 was fulfilled in the first century. All of Jesus' warnings in that passage were relevant only to natural Jews. (Mat. 15:24) -
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Attention WT Writing Department: When was Frederick Franz baptized??? Please make up your mind!!!
by Calebs Airplane inpop quiz for the watchtower writing department.... .
when was frederick franz baptized?
april 4, 1914 or november 30, 1913?.
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The KEY WORD in Isaiah 44:25-26 is "Predictions" and the apostles NEVER made any predictions setting dates.
by Greybeard inisaiah 44:25-26, i am frustrating the signs of the empty talkers, and i am the one who makes diviners act like fools; the one confounding the wise men and turning their knowledge into foolishness; the one making the word of his servant come true and completely fulfilling the predictions of his messengers.
the record shows your words and many predictions did not come true.
again, the key word in isaiah 44:25-26 is "predictions" and the apostles never made any predictions ever.
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Thanks for this Greybeard. It is food at the proper time.