in the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=21916&site=3 mad apostate brought the watchtower magazine of june 1, 1991 pages 15-20 their refuge-a lie!
to our attention with respect to the united nations scandal.
in particular, mad apostate made reference to paragraphs 10 and 11 from this wts rag.
hawkaw, would you send me the scans from Muller's book? I wrote an entry at German board http://www.infolink-forum.de//messages/783/4458.html?Freitagden1November20020927#POST56263 and referred to your Links that are no longer available now. The numbers of downloads seems to be limited.
A German documentation will be provided at http://www.geocities.com/wtcleanup
Unfortunately, I did not save the pics to my harddrive.
wow, i'm sitting here at the bega library and the young girl sitting next to me saw me posting to a jw board and i am helping her understand the layout of this board.
she has been 'studying' for 6 years and has a lot of questions.
the local bros keep calling to encourage her meeting attendence etc... please give the young lady a warm welcome and help her once/if she registers.. i have recomended randy watters 'freeminds' site too.. g'day julie!!
Hi Judith!
A Welcome from Germany.
would it be nice to have some pool or competition where we guess the next gb member to croak?.
maybe we could place bets with simon or someone and we win prizes when we guess right?
sort of like a sweep or so...... so........which gb member will get his heavenly reward croak next?.
Greg Stafford
Carl Olof Jonsson
years ago, at an elder's school, the subject of secret sins and masturbation was discussed.
the instructer mentioned how "secret sins" could affect the spirit of the congregation.
when the subject of masturbation was"handled", a brother decided to put his hand up to "confess".this was obviously not meant to be a question and answer discussion, but the co called on the elder.
The reason for this ban is making people guilty.
Everybody does it, so everybody feels guilty and keeps silent.
all credit and many thanks go to our dear brother osarsif for making the hourglass2 outpost archives 1996-2001 online internet resource a reality: .
http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/h2o.htm.
that's right, all 6 years!
I get a little sentimental: I found one of my first posts (if not the first) on 11th September, 1996 under the name Waiting
I remember choosing that name for I thought something was wrong in the organisation but I wanted to wait on Jehovah. :-(
one of the most interesting things about no longer being a m.s.
or elder is that when the circuit overseer comes around to visit, no mention is ever made of the person.
it's like they never even existed!
When I resigned as an MS and stopped attending meetings, I waited for the elders's visit.
I thought I was a zealous JW and calmed down to zero they simply must come to see me and ask me how they could "help" me.
I really had a good relationship with the PO and the CO.
One day the CO and the PO really appeared. They introduced themselves by telling me that
they came because my wife had asked them to.
I must admit I was very disappointed. They would not have come if my wife had not asked them to.
the first week-end in september i attended an anti cult workhop here in germany.
it was conducted by german psychologist dieter rohmann.
his website can be found at http://www.kulte.de/person.html.
More important than the price is the contents:
Proposed Curriculum for Los Angeles Seminar.
Healing Oneself from Destructive Mind Control
with
Steve Hassan , ex-member of the Moonies, licensed mental health counselor (by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts) and author of Combatting Cult Mind Control and Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves. Steve Hassan's web site is www.freedomofmind.com
Issues which will be addressed:
1. Extreme identity confusion
2. Dissociative states - "floating"(getting triggered back into cult mode)
3. Panic and anxiety attacks
4. Depression
5. Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (P.T.S.D.)
6. Psychosomatic symptoms (headaches, backaches, asthma, skin problems)
7. Problems with decision-making- dependency
8. Retarded psychological development- loss of psychological power
9. Guilt
10. Fear
11. Anger
12. Sleep disorders/ nightmares
13. Eating disorders
14. Sexual problems / Sexuality Issues
15. Lack of trust / fear of intimacy and commitment - people / work
16. Harassment and threats
17. Grieving loss of friends, family
18. Spiritual "rape" of the soul
19. What do I believe? What should I believe?
This program is open to all former cult members and individuals who have experienced destructive mind control. I intend to have several former long term members/ leaders speak about how their group used mind control as part of the format.
on 12th october, bill bowen went to the german branch office in selters/ts.
he came not further than the gate, where he was allowed to contact werner rudtke, member of the branch committee, via telephone.
after some minutes, rudtke excused for his "bad english" and connected to hans obermeier, another bethel member.
On 12th October, Bill Bowen went to the German branch office in Selters/Ts. He came not further than the gate, where he was allowed to contact Werner Rudtke, member of the Branch Committee, via telephone. After some minutes, Rudtke excused for his "bad English" and connected to Hans Obermeier, another Bethel member. It seems that both knew whom they were dealing with.
They said this was an American topic and hence Brooklyn was the place to be contacted by Bowen. They said, in Germany only a few isolated cased are known.
Bowen was accompanied by members of an Ex-JW-Organisation and a former "silent lamb".
See the story with pictures: http://www.infolink-net.de/docs/news/silentlambs-selters.htm at http://www.xzj-infolink.de/
the first week-end in september i attended an anti cult workhop here in germany.
it was conducted by german psychologist dieter rohmann.
his website can be found at http://www.kulte.de/person.html.
Also the Watch Tower Society is not the only cult out there. Ever talk with an 18 year old Mormon Elder from Utah? Talk about being brain washed!
That is exactly what Dieter Rohmann said. He encouraged organized groups to invite ex-members from other cults. And that is what Steven Hassan says in the interview that can be watched at http://www.freeminds.org/exitissues.htm. The similarities are really disillusioning. You were not allowed to inform about other cults and could not see that they use the same methods.
BTW, this is also a good thing to open JW eyes: talk about other cults and show the similarities.
What other workshops like this can you go to and get breakfast and lunch thrown in for this price?
This was also the case with the German workshop. The psychologist just took a nominal fee so that it could be afforded even by me. I had to go half thru Germany but could afford it because of the relative low price for the workshop.
Seems to be the same with this workshop but I don't know the usual costs in the US.
Maybe Simon would put an advertisement banner for the workshop on this website? Just an idea.
the first week-end in september i attended an anti cult workhop here in germany.
it was conducted by german psychologist dieter rohmann.
his website can be found at http://www.kulte.de/person.html.
The first week-end in September I attended an Anti Cult Workhop here in Germany. It was conducted by German psychologist Dieter Rohmann. His WebSite can be found at http://www.kulte.de/person.html. He is a former member of the Children of God and acquainted with Steven Hassan. There are not many things of that kind here in Germany.
The Workshop was very revealing to me: most of the participants had a JW background - the Workshop had been promoted via Ex-JW-WebSite http://www.xzj-infolink.de.
We had some very interesting discussions about authority, conformity and mind control. We watched a documentary about the Milgram Experiment which was very impressive. But there really was plenty of information.
I am neither DA nor DF, just inactive. I was a little afraid when I signed up for the workshop. But I do not want to miss that experience. I would even call it a turning point in my life, some things in my life appear clearer to me: at least now I know that I should not search for an authority to give me all the answers. And I could see that anyone can be manipulated and there are many other that had the same experience.
Well, I noticed at http://www.freeminds.org/exitissues.htm that Steven Hassan is conducting a workshop in March 2003. Dieter Rohmann told me that he knows Steven Hassan personally. I took a look at the curricullum and watch the interview at the http://www.freeminds.org/exitissues.htm. Steven seems to have the same approach as Dieter and the workshop seems to be similar as well.
All I can tell: if you can make it happen: sign up for that workshop. It will give you new insight. Even if you are years away from the Watchtower - you will be surprised how much your thinking is still influenced.
You won't regret it. Please take a look at: http://www.freeminds.org/exitissues.htm
