The WTS tries to get rid of this superstition by attributing the term "lilith" to an ordinary bird.
*** it-2 pp. 499-500 Nightjar ***
NIGHTJAR
[Heb., li·lith´].
A creature appearing in the description of Edom's utter desolation and of the things inhabiting its ruins. (Isa 34:14) The Hebrew word has been variously translated as "screech owl" (KJ), "night-monster" (AS), "nightjar" (NE, NW), and "night hag" (RS), while The Jerusalem Bible prefers simply to transliterate the name as "Lilith."
Many scholars endeavor to show that the Hebrew term is a loanword from ancient Sumerian and Akkadian and that it derives from the name of a mythological female demon of the air (Lilitu). Professor G. R. Driver, however, considers the Hebrew word (li·lith´) to derive from a root word denoting "every kind of twisting motion or twisted object," even as the Hebrew word la´yil (or lai´lah), meaning "night," suggests a "wrapping itself round or enfolding the earth." Such derivation of li·lith´, he suggests, may likely point to the nightjar as both a nocturnal feeding bird and one noted for its rapid twisting and turning flight as it pursues moths, beetles, and other night-flying insects. As quoted by Driver, Tristram, the naturalist, described the nightjar as "becoming very active towards dusk, when they hawk about at great speed and with intricate turnings after their food."-Palestine Exploration Quarterly, London, 1959, pp. 55, 56.
The nightjar is almost 30 cm (12 in.) in length with a wingspan of 50 cm (20 in.) or more; its plumage resembles the owl's, being soft and delicately mottled with gray and brown. The soft wing feathers allow for noiseless flight. Its large mouth is evidently the reason for its also being called the goatsucker, an ancient legend holding that the bird sucked the milk of goats.
As to the likelihood of such a bird being found in the arid region of Edom, certain varieties of this bird are known to inhabit waste places. An Egyptian nightjar (Caprimulgus aegyptius) lives almost exclusively in the desert, occupying acacia groves and tamarisk bushes and seeking its food in twilight. Another (Caprimulgus nubicus) is found in desert fringes between Jericho and the Red Sea, hence in regions like that of Edom.
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Lilith ?!
by Vivamus indid you ever heard of lilith?
not as an extension of adam, but the creation was dual, man and woman were one, almost a bisexual being.
but then adam *sigh, typically men* tried to dominate her, and she said in modern english "f*ck off, i'm leaving you", bravo lilith!
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Is each country represented?
by GermanXJW ini just received a graph of the percentage of inhabitants of some countries that are surfing the net.
i wonder if the jwd community is representative:.
sweden 61%.
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I just received a graph of the percentage of inhabitants of some countries that are surfing the net. I wonder if the JWD community is representative:
US 66%
Sweden 61%
Finland 61%
Denmark 61%
Norway 54%
GB 53%
Switzerland 44%
Germany 44%
Italy 38%
Japan 33%
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JW Soap Opera Update.....
by ApagaLaLuz inmy mother informed me today that they disfellowshiped the po of my old hall, as well as the wife of one of the ministerial servants.
you guessed it, they were having an affair.
this came as no surprise to me because i always knew he was shady.
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Was there not a time when beastiality was not an official reason for divorce?
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BEANS! Don't die!!
by joannadandy in.
and that goes for all you other toronto apostates... .
no dying of sars...do you hear me?
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Beans is here in Germany. I met him on Saturday. He seemed to be okay and did not cough. ;-)
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Repost - Blood Letters
by Lionel_P_Hartley inreposting randy watters' thread here for longevity.... ************************.
these letters will blow your mind!.
it's hard to beleive that one or two small-minded men in the service dept.
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Does anybody know where I can find the letters now? Or has anybody downloaded them?
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Organization Books.
by refiners fire inyou know, there is nothing like the pleasure of looking on your bookshelf and seeing all those dub books in their hard bound covers and their pretty colours.
you can arrange them all kinds of ways, putting all the yellow ones together and the blue ones together .then you can put the green graded ones in the middle creating a flowing rainbow effect.
looks nice.
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Got the bound volumes 2002 - softcover. Well this looks pretty shitty. :-)
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New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)
by UnDisfellowshipped inthere appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).
several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.
here is a quote that shows this: .
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Could it be that the article is not about the the UN-Wild Beast at all but that they again comment about their cluelessness about the King of the North?
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New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)
by UnDisfellowshipped inthere appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).
several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.
here is a quote that shows this: .
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>As a spirit creature, he cannot carry out his attack directly, but will use human agencies to do his deeds.
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Apart form the JW's, has any other cult ever tried to recruit you?
by In_between_days inwhat are your experiences in being a target for fresh meat in a cult?
have any other cult members besides dubs ever tried to recruit you?
i was sucked in once, while i was working at my store that i managed years ago a middle aged man in a suit bought an outfit from me.
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I was approached by some Scientologists and did a personality test. I was a JW back then, just wanted to have some first hand experience. The test result was - surprise: I need some training. I also saw a movie with Ron Hubbard. They were very aggressive in their selling, I literally had to flee.
Funny, they even said it did not matter if I was a JW or whatever. I did not mention my religion and registered with wrong personal data. :-)
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King James Bible and the WTS
by robhic ini could swear i saw a quote or something saying that years ago (obviously before the nwt) the wts considered the king james version of the bible as the best one available.. i posed this question on another group and so far have had no luck.
it may have very well been on this site somewhere but i have back-tracked as much as i can and still haven't found the post i saw this in.
anybody have any ideas or know where this statement can be found?
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GermanXJW
Did they not use the 'American Standard Version' because of their use of the divine name?