Posts by chaz84

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What is being "worldly"

by Burger Time in

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yes i know what the jw definition is of being worldly, but seeing people who grew up and their stories it got me thinking; is worldliness just as bad in house as out?

as an example, dating.

ok almost everyone i know still did the same thing worldly kids did when they dated only you had to take one little extra step to get some alone time with your sweetness.

chaz84

I dunno to be honest, cos though my mum is a Jehoovahs Witness, she allowed me to play and hang around with worldly kids,

cos she felt that half the kids in the congregation was corrupted anyway and so what difference did it make. Which is wrong...but there you go!

Being worldly is being normal in my eyes, i believe that being a jehovah's witness stops teenagers from being proper teenagers, and so

when they break the rules, they break the rules to the extreme. When i left, i did everything that i shouldn't, drink, drugs, sex etc. If i was brought up normally

maybe i wouldn't have been that curious. It was like freedom and i didn't know what to do with it!

Now i'm enjoying being in the real world. One of my friends who was also brought up as a jehovahs witness told me that she envied me going to university and

having fun, cos she felt she's missed out, cos she thought pioneering was her life.

In fact when i used to go, the 'worldly' kids were better behaved than the JW kids. One JW kid i hung round kept shoplifting, to prove to the other

non witness kids that's she's hard. But the non witness kids thought she was a tosser and told her that she'll get caught...and she did, and she stop going!

JW and worldy kids are the same, JW are just more sneakier about it, and that's what makes things fun, lying and getting away with it! It's good being brought up the JW way!...NOT

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I'm new...and heartbroken

by chaz84 in

i'm still up early hours in the morning, because i'.

so upset with what my mum said to me on the phone today.

she told me she got the sack a week ago because her boss didn't agree with my mum being a jehovah's witness and that she lets 'children die' because of the no blood rules.

You're probably right you know...! But i can't help but stick up for her, she's all i have. But i feel that the people on this site have been really good, and give honest opinions, and that's what i need. Also i feel i really need to move on myself, even though i don't go anymore...and don't believe, i still worry sometimes. I think i just need to figure who i really am. I go on a bit so i'm gonna shut up now...

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I'm new...and heartbroken

by chaz84 in

i'm still up early hours in the morning, because i'.

so upset with what my mum said to me on the phone today.

she told me she got the sack a week ago because her boss didn't agree with my mum being a jehovah's witness and that she lets 'children die' because of the no blood rules.

chaz84

Update: Thank you for all your help and support. I was really nervous about posting but now i'm glad i did.

Thankyou 'diamondblue1974' for all the advice i really appreciate it, and i feel you're nudging me in the right direction. And KatieKitten i'm sorry about my statement about the Jehovah's Witnesses scum cos i didn't mean it like that. I just felt angry because of what happened to my mum, and also i've grown up always feeling uncomfortable saying my mum's a jehovah's witness because i've had horrible backlashes, and even got beaten up for it. But i know that's not applicable to everyone but it's happened to me.

I've never been baptised and never will. But being the daughter of a Jehovah's witness has been hell for me, to the point that i had to have couselling because i suffered and still suffer with social anxiety. I was always been treated badly in and out of the witness bubble. In the congregation people always treated my mum as she was a weak corrupted person, or a potential marriage wrecker coz all the sisters were scared their husbands were flirting with her. Mum's got a flirty personality and she is beautiful woman... who can blame them really.

We've always had to move house coz we lived in bad areas, we moved house 19 times and moved to different congregations 6 times, and every single one we went too they've always treated my mum like the bad egg. And all the elders would have a go at me at the slightest thing, like not answering up in the meetings, and praising other kids (who were taking drugs at the time) for doing it and saying they are more spiritual than me. Mum when through the roof and left the KH for a while...but then went back for more.

Mum has left a couple of times, when she is low, no-one visted her or supported her throughout those times, only me. My mum understands the religion but often talks about the contradictions. I will always support her, but i know that if her new congregation treats her bad again, i think she will leave, the way she talks it sounds like she's giving them one more chance (i hope). I thought it was funny about what jgnat said about the 'persecution points', coz i've been talking about it to her today and she said that all the 'JWs treats her differently now cos she has lost her job, and they said all the angels must be watching her now' I don't know how they can look at the bright side or see how this is a good thing. But then that's what they think.

You've been really good people thank you so much. And unlike the people at work, you all supported my mum dispite her beliefs. But my final wish really is for my mum to leave, so she can be herself again. Thank you xx

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reason for leaving

by winnie in

we did not swallow the new light theory at all but it did get me thinking.

lets presume jws are right and they claim to be inspired by god what does that say about god?is it just a game for him they must be having a ball in heaven changing the rules halfway through a game even if jws were right i would not want to be part of a god that does that.i was raised a jw and to be honest i enjoyed it for me it was a great way of life but there comes a time when in good faith you can not justify to yourself that it is the truth never held any hatred for jws until i left and then i saw them in a different light they by they i mean my family have put all there energy into applying there love towards me by shunning me my wife and there 5 grandchildren as ive said if god is dirrecting them then i dont want anything to do with there god.

this new light will have little or no effect on jws all thats left is rank and file who if by now havnt left never will and new converts who have no idea what used to preach.

chaz84

My mum is a Jehovah's Witness and she recently said to me "You know...disfellowshipping is a bad idea, because surley that's discouraging a person to go back" I told my mum to elaborate she said "well i mean, say someone cheated on their wife...yes it is wrong, but rather than disfellowshipping maybe they should encourage marriage counselling or something. There is obviously something wrong in the relationship...plus i i feel guilty talking to people who are disfellowshipped, but i talked to them because there are in the world now...and i talk to worldly people...and hang with them so that's mean i can still talk to disfellowshipped people". I laughed at that

Also i left cos for one everyone is leading a double life anyway and secondly i think you're right about god and his mood swings. I often thought about "thou shall not gamble" in my teens. I thought "but god is always gambling especially with Satan"

Satan: I bet Job disown you if i take all his riches and family away

God: I bet he doesn't

Satan: Fine leperosy it is

God: He stook by me...i win

God gambled with too many peoples lives...if there was a paradise...i often thought what happens if he gets bored and destroys us anyway..tuh

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feelings of guilt

by confused and lost in

as some of you are aware i am in the early stages of doubting the wts as the only channel of truth.however i am assailed by feelings of guilt.am i being seduced by the words of disgruntled witnesses or ex-witnesses or am i truly doubting !

!maybe some of you felt this way in the early stages of your "defection" from the wts.sometimes i feel as though i am rejecting god and his organization but other times i feel so strongly that the wts has misled me and is acting to control my "loyalty" by vieled threats of destruction at armageddon.you see prior to becoming a jw i had no religious affiliations.i knew nothing about the bible or god.so for 20 yrs i have only known watchtower teachings and un-learning 20yrs of this is making me so indesicive.am i doing the right thing or not ?

my only solace is prayer.i have prayed to god to show me in some way what the truth really is.i must admit that these prayers have been the most heartfelt i have ever said.have others felt this way and if so how did they deal with it ?i would truly appreciate some feedback.

chaz84

It's hard to leave something that you invest so much of your life on. I tell you...when i left...even stupid noises like loud planes flying over, scared me because i thought it was armageddon. But fear has been installed into you...teaching you that the 'end of the days will come like the theif in the night' i could be typing now and 2 secs later it's here...1...2...i'm still here. It's not easy just to forget about it, but praying can help...pray how you feel the best comfortable. If you feel it's right...then that's your choice, if you feel it's wrong that's you choice, do what's in your heart. I fell away by thinking about my doubts and exploring them

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I'm new...and heartbroken

by chaz84 in

i'm still up early hours in the morning, because i'.

so upset with what my mum said to me on the phone today.

she told me she got the sack a week ago because her boss didn't agree with my mum being a jehovah's witness and that she lets 'children die' because of the no blood rules.

chaz84

I'm still up early hours in the morning, because i'. so upset with what my mum said to me on the phone today. She told me she got the sack a week ago because her boss didn't agree with my mum being a Jehovah's Witness and that she lets 'children die' because of the no blood rules. The first reaction was to call up the local newspaper and bitch about how the staff bullied and discriminated my mum for what she was. But as i start to think about it...it would never reach the papers, because Jehovah's Witness are regarded as scum. I love my mum to pieces and has a great personality. I just think whatever religion you are, you shouldn't get the sack because of it. My mum never preached about her believes, they only found out because of she didn't write her name on someones birthday card.

But it was this day, when i realised that i can never ever go back...i'm 23 now and i stopped going to the kingdom hall when i was 18. I realise that there was something wrong, when the conversation went like this

Mum: The brothers and sisters were dead supportive, maybe its a sign from god...maybe i shouldn't be working there and something better comes up...i'm not a loser

Me: Mum you are not a loser...i am disgusted that they sacked you because of your religion...that is wrong and you should complainhris.

Mum: Don't go ringing them up...i went to the assembly and i realise that god will help me

Me: Mum you thought god blessed you for getting that job in the first place...mum i love you so much...but in the future please don't say who you are...people are really funny about religion these days it's best to keep it shut

Mum: There are plenty of jobs who will accept them for who i am

Me: Even Christians get bollocked these days

Mum: Well it's what i believe in...i love you

Me: I love you too.

Mum was over the moon to get that job, i feel that Jehovah's Witnesses has wrecked her life...how many times has she lost her job because of her religion! Mum needs to get out but i don't know what to do about it. Mum is special and unlike many Jehovahs Witness parents she always stood by me whatever people in the congregation said. for example i remember when one of the kids called me a bastard and my mum banged on the sister's door yelling

Mum: "Oye, your brat of a daughter called my kid a bastard"

Sister: I beg your pardon, my daughter will not use such language...and i am shocked you used it too

my mum always let me hang around "worldly" kids and invite them over, she always told me that i have choices. I eventually told my mum that i don't want to go to the meetings anymore because i didn't like the fact that the kids my age was leading a double life. People would always judge us, and praise the kids that are doing wrong(well they are the elders kids afterall) Mum said

Mum: I love you no matter what, if you rather not go, i'm not going to force you, if you go back i will be happy. But i'm always happy with what i do because i love you.

Even when i told her that i lost my virginity, mum said "just make sure you wear protection"

I just think being a Jehovah's witness is not for mum, but she is clinging onto it because she wants to see grandma and grandad again. They were a big part of her life, when they died she was tramatized, then she got raped, then her best-friend died. But all throughout her 12 years as a witness all she's suffered is abuse from other brothers sister. Mum had a breakdown at the Kingdom hall once...it was scary, one of the sisters accused her of being weak and wanted to chuck water at her. Others wanted me to go home with them, but i wanted to stay with my mum. Some was supportive but still. Mum stopped going for a a few years but felt she needed to go back. Mum always stops and starts, and i think her depression is down to being a witness because she's constantly has to prove herself all the time.

Mum always keeps barking on about how they are hypocrites, liars...and always come out with

"I know loads of thing about them...i can ruin the reputation if i was a bitch"

I wish i knew how to free my mum...my mum is a strong person. And what Jehovah's witness mum sings along to Muse "Apolocayspe now" anyway???

You've got to strip away your old personality as one of the scriptures said...yeah...they've bloody done that for sure!!!

sorry for long post...but i needed to get it all off my chest