Posts by jefferywhat

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Is this a breach of Christian Neutrality?

by jefferywhat in

this is an oldie but a goodie, and it begs a question.

http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/joint/commttee/j2444.pdf

for any witnesses in australia, we would be used to the little guy with the canadian accent brought over here by the society to sort out the post war issues in aus bethel, we were selling and swapping stuff with the army, i actually think one of the bethel boys get shot by mistake.

jefferywhat

Ummm how do I move this? Help!! I have doubled up and ended up in the wrong arena!!

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Is this a breach of Christian Neutrality?

by jefferywhat in

this is an oldie but a goodie, and it begs a question.

http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/joint/commttee/j2444.pdf

for any witnesses in australia, we would be used to the little guy with the canadian accent brought over here by the society to sort out the post war issues in aus bethel, we were selling and swapping stuff with the army, i actually think one of the bethel boys get shot by mistake.

jefferywhat

This is an oldie but a goodie, and it begs a question. http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/joint/commttee/j2444.pdf For any witnesses in Australia, we would be used to the little guy with the Canadian accent brought over here by the society to sort out the post war issues in Aus bethel, we were selling and swapping stuff with the army, I actually think one of the Bethel boys get shot by mistake. The other guy, Vin Toole is the loud obnoxious guy that used to appear at DC, less and less though Ive noticed. Anyway, I dont have a strong opinion here, but what is the definition of neutrality? Its obviously a noun and means an impartial and uninvolved country or person, so where does it start and stop. Is the society getting involved with law makers, legislators and senate enquires over stepping the mark or is it fine? Is there a difference between having a say by ballot box or in a government initiated enquiry? Is this an old subject already flogged?

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Is this a breach of Christian Neutrality?

by jefferywhat in

this is an oldie but a goodie, and it begs a question.

http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/joint/commttee/j2444.pdf .

for any witnesses in australia, we would be used to the little guy with the canadian accent brought over here by the society to sort out the post war issues in aus bethel, we were selling and swapping stuff with the army, i actually think one of the bethel boys get shot by mistake.

jefferywhat

This is an oldie but a goodie, and it begs a question.

http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/joint/commttee/j2444.pdf

For any witnesses in Australia, we would be used to the little guy with the Canadian accent brought over here by the society to sort out the post war issues in Aus bethel, we were selling and swapping stuff with the army, I actually think one of the Bethel boys get shot by mistake.

The other guy, Vin Toole is the loud obnoxious guy that used to appear at DC, less and less though Ive noticed.

Anyway, I dont have a strong opinion here, but what is the definition of neutrality? Its obviously a noun and means an impartial and uninvolved country or person, so where does it start and stop.

Is the society getting involved with law makers, legislators and senate enquires over stepping the mark or is it fine?

Is there a difference between having a say by ballot box or in a government initiated enquiry?

Is this an old subject already flogged?

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Will the GB get rid of the WBTS?

by jefferywhat in

this is an out there discussion, and probably running a little ahead of the organisation but.....

ever since rutherford took charge, the organisation has over shadowed the actual "hands on" worship, i.e.

in one year alone, it was pointed out on this forum, if a witness read all of the literature and the bible as prescribed, it would be like 120 pages of the bible and over 3000 pages of watchtower printed material.

jefferywhat

The end! Ha!

We dont know how it wil end!

But we know that the WBTS has just paid out nearly a million bucks to one of 9 abuse victims, even if we keep it conservative and assume they all got that amount, its still around 8 million, and thats just the start, france is chasing them for hundreds of millions.

It could happen in every country!

Im not suggesting that the individuals will be changed, just the all powerful name of the WBTS, it is the legal avenue that the GB use, it is entirely plausible and possible for them to cease trading under that name.

It would be interesting to find out who owns the printing presses and so on outside of New York City, it wouldn't surprise me to find out they are not under the name of WBTS.

Im looking at it from a business prospective, in 2000 they formed:

Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, New York. Incorporated
Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses, New York. Incorporated
Kingdom Support Services, Incorporated, New York. Incorporated

And the Presidency was changed to non GB members, the GB look after the ones above, the WBTS is already being pushed aside, its not the end of the world Im proposing here, just another shift in org structure.

And I bet it has a lot to do with the money!

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Will the GB get rid of the WBTS?

by jefferywhat in

this is an out there discussion, and probably running a little ahead of the organisation but.....

ever since rutherford took charge, the organisation has over shadowed the actual "hands on" worship, i.e.

in one year alone, it was pointed out on this forum, if a witness read all of the literature and the bible as prescribed, it would be like 120 pages of the bible and over 3000 pages of watchtower printed material.

jefferywhat

If I knew that I would be on the GB!!

I have a very good friend currently in the writing Dept. They all have alot of respect for TJ but realize he is resisting changes.

All of the changes last year, meeting times, 1935 and the generation he apparently was not thrilled about.

I know there are some more, including different media platforms,no details, but they are being rolled out slowly, and TJ is the speed hump.

A complete side point, was anyone in Bethel when the GB released a special address to the Bethel Family around 96?

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Will the GB get rid of the WBTS?

by jefferywhat in

this is an out there discussion, and probably running a little ahead of the organisation but.....

ever since rutherford took charge, the organisation has over shadowed the actual "hands on" worship, i.e.

in one year alone, it was pointed out on this forum, if a witness read all of the literature and the bible as prescribed, it would be like 120 pages of the bible and over 3000 pages of watchtower printed material.

jefferywhat

Sorry neverendingjourney, I should clarify what I mean.

When I refer to FDS, I mean the GB( boys in NYC). As we all know, the FDS are the proverbial toothless tiger, the unknown, the silent witness.

So I refer to the GB as the FDS tongue in cheek.

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Will the GB get rid of the WBTS?

by jefferywhat in

this is an out there discussion, and probably running a little ahead of the organisation but.....

ever since rutherford took charge, the organisation has over shadowed the actual "hands on" worship, i.e.

in one year alone, it was pointed out on this forum, if a witness read all of the literature and the bible as prescribed, it would be like 120 pages of the bible and over 3000 pages of watchtower printed material.

jefferywhat

Exactly!!

Good old ted jacarz is in charge of the service committee, but I know for a FACT that he is holding back alot of organizational changes. The new boys have bite, and we cant forget the past when looking to the future.

Rutherford wrestled power when he had no legal right and against a majority vote.
Franz and Knorr had to give up power despite being the president and vise president and against their wishes to the FDS.(GB)

For years the WBTS letters or secret meetings or CO talks have gone against the basic teachings of the Scriptures and the Watchtower articles, and we know this sends the Writing Dept. red hot mad.

I dont want to get to carried away, but I do think the FDS(GB) will rise up and retire the WBTS of its authority.

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WHAT IS THE NEW GENERATION CHANGE?

by wannaexit in

i've been hearing much about the new generation change?

what is it?.

i heard that something was revealed at the annual meeting.. wanna.

jefferywhat

Cheers for all the welcome!!

Its is a very personal journey for all of us. At the moment I am going through a phase of "making sure of the more important things", so bear with me.

I have gone through a few phases especially whilst studying evolutionary biology, that really threw me, now though, Im looking at the organization objectively.

There is a lot of false claims made about the WBTS, but in turn, they make a lot of false claims and I need to work through them.

I am actually going to write my first ever question from readers, the subject will deal with the claims that everyone prior to 1935 was anointed. The numbers just don't add up (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/48113/1.ashx)

Further with the change in thought as to the generation, they have opened up pandoras' box in a way, a whole new generation of Kids could get baptized and claim to be anointed and there is not doctrinal or scriptural reason now to not believe them.

Also, the numbers above do not go back to the first century, does anyone have any idea as to when the official apostasy started and how many christians were living prior to this?

Because if its more than 100K, the WBTS is way off with their belief that all pre '35 baptized witnesses were anointed.

Stay tuned.

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Will the GB get rid of the WBTS?

by jefferywhat in

this is an out there discussion, and probably running a little ahead of the organisation but.....

ever since rutherford took charge, the organisation has over shadowed the actual "hands on" worship, i.e.

in one year alone, it was pointed out on this forum, if a witness read all of the literature and the bible as prescribed, it would be like 120 pages of the bible and over 3000 pages of watchtower printed material.

jefferywhat

This is an out there discussion, and probably running a little ahead of the organisation but..... Ever since Rutherford took charge, the organisation has over shadowed the actual "hands on" worship, i.e. in one year alone, it was pointed out on this forum, if a witness read all of the literature and the bible as prescribed, it would be like 120 pages of the bible and over 3000 pages of watchtower printed material. That seems crazy to me. Anyway, when we look at the various power struggles between the GB(FDS) and The WBTS over the last century, is it possible that the FDS will cease to use the WBTS as its legal tool and replace it? Simply saying new light has come forth and we no longer will be trading under that name. Will, your brothers, The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, replace your brothers the WBTS? Crazy you might say, but the thing that makes me think this is 2 things primarily. 1. The possibility that the WBTS could be bankrupted by pedophile claims and other lawsuits based on DFing and Blood transfusions. 2. The fact that the GB has resigned from the WBTS is a major major change and one born from fear of legal attack. The reality is we are now under financial attack and have been in europe for at least 10 years, thats why anything that made a profit has gone, food at conventions, paying for literature, moving the French branch to England. In reality, the WBTS of France no longer operates, its now just a service department, if this was to happen globally, what would the result be? No WBTS. The GB know this, the change in title of DF'ing to no longer a witness is a classic move to decentralize this decision making process, " its up to the local elders". Could the changes made to the organizational set up in the 70's come to full maturity? Mark my words.( but feel free to criticize them)

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WHAT IS THE NEW GENERATION CHANGE?

by wannaexit in

i've been hearing much about the new generation change?

what is it?.

i heard that something was revealed at the annual meeting.. wanna.

jefferywhat

I am new to this forum and after 11 year of pioneering and years as a servant I am on the edge. I have thought for a while that the organization was becoming too structured, too much like the religions we used to burn. And its gets worse. This "new light" is just another word reformation! The generation change is just plain bizzare, its such a passing comment from Jesus and these guys have spent the last 11 years re thinking it!! And its just a group of men as confused about it as we are yet they hang on to the myth of being "special". The thing that has really shaken me is that the old story about the anointed remnant here on earth are busy writing words of truth and sending it into bethel whereupon the GB dutifully, as the slave of the FDS, prints it! I have believed that since I was a child and to find out that the articles are suggested by CO/DO teams and then the writing committee assigns a bethelite to write and article then is signed off on by the GB!!! What happened to the FDS?? Where has the religion I believed in gone? Its been replaced by ladder climbing, in-passionate, neat haired men. Are all of the remnant just mute followers, they are meant to be in a special spiritual condition.......sons of God already! far more qualified than a CO!! Its time to start the "secret Jehovahs Witness Club"!!! Rule 1: You do not talk about THE SECRET JEHOVAHS WITNESS CLUB. Rule 2: You DO NOT alk about THE SECRET JEHOVAHS WITNESS CLUB Whos with me??