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  Venus and Serena W. and the American flag

  by MacHislopp in

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  for your information:.

  venus and serena williams as jehovah's witnesses .

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  Gianluca

  Hello Mac,
  I suppose uou are thanking me for the reply on another thread..It's me who has to thank you for the good quotes and links you post.

  Concerning carrying a flag, i just want to inform you that in most Italian congregations a JW would get thumped on his head by the local elders if he went around with an Italian flag.It would be considered nationalistic behavior and going against the principle of neutrality!!
  I guess that anItalian JW with lot's of cash in his bank account and who gives out nice presents to the CO and DO will probably get away with it too.

  regards
  Gianluca
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  According to the WTS .can we trust JESUS???

  by MacHislopp in

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  hello, do you remember these??.

  *** w77 4/15 256 whom can you trust?

  butcher?

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  Gianluca

  Hello Ozzie,

  The questios are:
  Do the corrections and condemnations which emanate from Booklyn really come from God?

  Does the WTS really proclaim God's message to the world? (ie: the teachings about 1914,1919,1935 just to name a few)

  Ciao
  Gianluca
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  Russia online

  by Drue in

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  thank you for this board i was enjoying many of the posts here for some time.

  being from russia, i also enjoy this melting pot atmosphere of the fearless norse, nonchalant aussies and unostentatious americans and i really do like your britishers jolly good sense of humour.. and then comes slang: i was enjoying deciphering all the btw fyi imo imho acronyms.

  today that i think i understood what lol means i decided to sign in.

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  Gianluca

  Hello Drue,

  Welcome to the board! I'm sure that you will find very good info concerning the Watchtower Society on this board.

  Ciao
  Gianluca

  The Italian class

  The three essential human freedoms:
  The first is freedom of speech and expression.
  The second is freedom of conscience.
  The third is freedom from fear.

  Edited by - gianluca on 20 March 2001 13:35:16
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  teejay,still hanging on

  by Bruce144 in

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  hi teejay,.

  i have been waiting for your reply.

  you only mentioned hellfire as a detriment against the watchtower having the truth.

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  Gianluca

  Hi Bruce,

  Could you proove using only the Bible that the the number of people going to heaven are literally 144.000?

  Ciao
  Gianluca

  The three essential human freedoms:
  The first is freedom of speech and expression.
  The second is freedom of conscience.
  The third is freedom from fear.
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  Who will be Number 1,000?

  by ozziepost in

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  have you noticed that the number of registered posters is slowing but surely creeping up towards the 1,000 mark?.

  no doubt the word is spreading that this is a nice home to be in.. simon, congrats on providing this place for calm (usually!

  ) thoughtful and insightful discussion.. are there any plans to highlight the 1,000 poster?.

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  Gianluca

  I'll bet a fiver it will be "You Know" the prophet who used to post on H20!
  I suppose he will think he's fullfilling a bible prophecy if he manages to be N°1000...
  Ciao
  Gianluca

  The three essential human freedoms:
  The first is freedom of speech and expression.
  The second is freedom of conscience.
  The third is freedom from fear.

  Edited by - gianluca on 20 March 2001 6:54:42
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  " Correct words of truth."

  by MacHislopp in

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  hello everybody,as we read many things lets remember this :.

  *** w90 12/15 26 'seeking delightful words, correct words' ***.

  for over a century, delightful, correct words of truth covering every aspect of life have been presented in the watch tower societys publications and widely distributed in many languages.. now, let's see ...just two small ex.;.

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  Gianluca

  Hi Mac ,

  I suppose that the poor chap who back in 1968 read the WT which said that the world
  "is crumbling before our very eyes in one orgy of violence and crime after another. Minute by minute, day by day, year by year it moves without fail toward its catastrophic end"
  must be fed up waiting and when the poor fellow looks back at the life he dedicated to the WTS making many sacrifices for the Society instead of preparing his reteirement I just cannot imagine how he must feel........Unless he is hopelessly braindead after all those years of WTS "healthy spiritual food".

  Ciao
  Gianluca

  The three essential human freedoms:
  The first is freedom of speech and expression.
  The second is freedom of conscience.
  The third is freedom from fear.
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  Hi Prisca. I am Norm, and I am new here

  by Norm in

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  hi, prisca,.

  i am norm, and i am new here.. .

  this post is primarily for those folk on this board, who post .

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  Gianluca

  Hi Norm,

  Everyone is entitled to an opinion and everyone has the right to say what he /she thinks, in a respectful manner. Personally I don't see why someone who's done some interesting research on the WTS should not post it on this board. Prisca herself said "Most of us here know already this stuff" Now I will point out that the words "most of us" means that she acknowleges the fact that not ALL visitors of this board are up to date with all the nonsence the WTS has forked out since the good old days of C.T.Russell . I too have done my personal and have reached a conclusion based on it. But I still appreciate when others post theirs as there is always a "pearl" to be found.
  Personally I like reading posts which point out to old WTS material. As I only have the WT CD-ROM, which goes back to 1950, and as I used to be part of an Italian congregation, in all my years as an active Jw I NEVER had the chance to read a WT publication prior to that date. It's only thanks to the Internet and boards like these that I was able to catch a glimpse of the WTS old days.....
  So Norm, keep sending your great posts, I always find them interesting.(i've been reading them since the old days of H20)

  Prisca, I agree with you that posts should be in written in a respectful manner as most visitors are not here to fight but to chat, exchange ideas and learn things from other peoples research. Please remember that not everyone has the possibility to dedicate a lot of time in researching the WTS doctrines due to their personal or family situation. So please don't get upset if there are people, like myself, who appreciate when others post their research here.
  I suggest that if you think that someone has the habit of posting reams and reams of info on the WTS which you already know of, just avoid clicking on his/her posts and go on to read other peoples post which you know you will enjoy.
  But please remember that not everyone necessarily thinks like you, there are many here who enjoy reading lots of WTS relates quotes and comments as many are still fighting a personal battle to free their minds of the WT grip.

  As Pathofthorns rightly said, lets all will continue to have the same civility and tolerance and respect for the opinions and viewpoints and personalities of others.

  Ciao
  Gianluca

  The three essential human freedoms:
  The first is freedom of speech and expression.
  The second is freedom of conscience.
  The third is freedom from fear.
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  Hi everyone, just registered

  by Jsandmusic in

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  just found this place.

  it looks like some really sensible posting is going on, for the most part.

  i'm not a jw, but i have family "in the truth?

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  Gianluca

  Welcome to this board! I’m sure you will find lot’s of info to use when having conversations with JW’s. And you you will discover even before most JW’s know about it!!

  Ragards
  Gianluca

  The three essential human freedoms:
  The first is freedom of speech and expression.
  The second is freedom of conscience.
  The third is freedom from fear.
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  That They Might be Kings

  by Farkel in

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  dubs like to speculate.

  about almost everything: how life will be in the new world ordertm, how and when armageddon is going to happen, whether the latest newspaper headline really signals that armageddon is about to start, what the latest new lighttm is going to be, and on and on.. so heres something to also speculate about.

  suppose that jehovah paid a personal visit to the wts leaders and said, .

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  Gianluca

  Hello,

  If the WTS ruled the world this is what it would be like....

  “Under Watchtowerism we would have a state in the proper sense of the word, that is, a special machine for the suppression of the freedom of of one class by another.”

  “While the Watchtower Society rules there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there can be no Watchtower rule.”

  “Only constant repetition will finally succeed in imprinting an idea on the memory of the crowd”

  They are already experts at this using their magazines…imagine if they controlled all the world news media…like Cnn opps I mean Wnn (Watchtower News Network)

  The GB will probably come up with this type of propaganda:

  “It is true that liberty is precious – so precious that it must be rationed.”

  “We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun and eliminate all those pesky apostates.”

  “The Watchtower Society is an instrument in the hands of God for suppressing the resistance of his enemies. ( ie: Those pesky apostates…..AGAIN!!!)”

  Last but not least this would be the WTS most used tactic:

  “The broad mass of the nation (apart the surviving apostates)...will more easily fall victim to big lies than to a small ones”

  Best regards

  Gianluca of The Rebel Class……
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  The WTS encourages people to examine their beliefs

  by Gianluca in

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  how does the wts encourage people to examine religious beliefs?.

  1.the truth that leads to eternal life 1968,pg12, .

  we need to examine, not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization..... 2.watchtower 15th march 1969,pg166, .

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  Gianluca

  How does the WTS encourage people to examine religious beliefs?

  1.The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life 1968,pg12,
  We need to examine, not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization....

  2.Watchtower 15th march 1969,pg166,
  We need to examine, not only what we personally believe, but also what is taught by any religious organization......

  3.Is This Life All There Is? pg 46
  ,...really, would you want to be associated with a religion that has not been honest with you?

  4.Awake 22 Oct. 1973,pg6,
  Reasonable persons agree that the only fair method is to examine the evidence on both sides,both for and against a disputed theory. That is how one arrives at the truth.

  5.Watchtower 1st Aug.1978,pg12,
  ...different churches have published books and brochures for the purpose of " exposing
  "Jehovah's Witnesses as heretics.....calling another a " heretic" or "false prophet"...Naturally, we are not afraid of this kind of publicity, because we know that it serves to awaken the curiosity of many honest persons.

  6.Watchtower.15th June 1985,pg12,
  ...for the purpose of getting the full depth of the thoughts explained...It requires digging
  deeper,putting forth effort to locate that older publication and then studing the pages...

  7. Watchtower.15th Nov. 1963,pg688-689
  It is not a form of religious persecution for anyone to say and show that another religion is false. Why should anyone practice a religion unless he is convinced that it is true and right?

  All the above are interesting quotes but.........what about the GB's teachings??? Well in this case it's: Don't question , meekly go along, in other words don't examine.

  1.Watchtower,1st Feb 1952,pg79-80
  If we do not see a point at first we should keep trying to grasp it, rather than opposing
  and rejecting it and presumptuously taking the position that we are more likely to be right than the discreet slave. We should meekly go along with the Lord's theocratic organization and wait for further clarification......

  2.Qualified to be Ministers 1955,pg156,
  If we have love for Jehovah and for the organization of his people we shall no be suspicious, but shall, as the Bible says, 'beleive all things,' all the things that The Watchtower brings out,in as much as it has been faithful in giving us knowledge of God's purposes.....

  3. Watchtower.1st May 1957,pg283-285
  We will not 'forsake our mother's teaching' by immediately beginning to criticize and
  find fault....gratefully and willingly show our respect for Jehovah's organization, for she is our mother and the beloved wife of our heavenly Father....

  4.Watchtower 1st June 1967,pg 338
  ...in Jehovah's organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in
  research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to that very thing....

  5.Watchtower 1st Aug.1967, pg469-470 µ
  It is true that some points are difficult to grasp at first, but instead of complaining or
  arguing about them...... it may be better to leave it alone for a while, waiting further clarification....we must avoid complaining even about small things....

  6.Watchtower 15th Jan 1983,pg 27,
  ....some who point out that the organization has had to make some adjustments before, and
  so they argue: "This shows that we have to make up our own mind on what to believe." This is independent thinking. Why is it so dangerous?

  7.Watchtower. 1st March 1991,pg15
  If we are Jehovah's Witnesses, we should remember that our lives and others depend upon
  our obedience. Each Witness needs to keep pace with Jehovah's organization.

  8.Watchtower 1st July 1994,pg12-13
  As loyal servants of Jehovah, why would we even want to peek at the propaganda put out by rejecters of Jehovah's table...

  To all you loyal JW's i ask you this question:
  Why is it that the Watchtower Society encourages all non Jehovah's Witnesses to examine their religion with an open mind while at the same time they do not allow baptised Witnesses a clear and open minded examination of the doctrines that the Governing Body give out as "spiritual food"?
  Do they have something to hide?
  Why is it that as a bible student we could ask any question that came into our mind, but as soon as we get baptized all "embarassing" questions have to stop or else...........you risk being kicked out!!!

  Best Regards
  Gianluca