during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.
but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.
science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.
However, the basic acceptance of whether a God exists or not is one of, if not the basic building block of an individuals philosophy.
Myopic.
BA sees self and cannot comprehend a wider world.
ve - seeing belief in God the least thing of value in an individual's philosophy
during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.
but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.
science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.
First. Damned. Sentence.
Reread. That. Sentence.
"AS A PHILOSOPHY".
In some select cases, the term might be used as a philosophy. It is not DEFINED as a philosophy in this quote. Indeed, this sentence structure explicitly says the opposite.
this relates to my last topic http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/147860/1.ashx and the one prior to that http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/147597/1.ashx.
ok i sent that card.
i expected maybe a contact but if it didn't happen that was ok too.
josie = brilliant, loving
this is the place to add your comments and bttt's for my thread at:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/148600/1.ashx.
thanks..
Human arrogance refuses to accept two facts...1.Something has always existed. 2. There is an inherent intelligence greater than us behind the creation of the physical univerwse. Eveything else is subject to conjecture and speculation.
<agreeing with Dansk>
Or there's a new definition of "fact"?
this thread is inspired by a comment made on another thread, but i thought it would make an interesting discussion.. self deceit is described as a "misconception that is favorable to the person who holds it".
my premise is that faith is a form of self-deceit - lying to oneself.. so, i would ask of the "faithful" the following questions and would request that they be read carefully to ensure no that there is no misunderstanding of purpose.. 1) in what way is faith not self-deception?.
2) is a person who has faith in a god that you do not believe in, say for example siva, practicing a form of self-deception?.
..and back to Hillary's questions...
1) In what way is faith not self-deception?
As much as I resist giving some credit to BA, he does make the point I would - faith can only be assigned to the "misconception" category when that which is believed can be proven or disproven. God being unnecessary in this case does not make him/her/it not exist. Until then it may be valid, and it may be a misconception. Schroedinger deals with this in his famous "cat in the box" thought experiments - until you open the box, the cat is in an unkown state, equally alive and dead. In this case, we cannot currently open the box.
I have faith that my father appreciates me. I cannot in this moment prove it nor disprove it. It may well be true or a misconception. But it being possibly a misconception does not make it definitely so, and my faith may be well placed.
The answer may be different if we had the same careful definition of "faith" as we do of "self-deception" included in the question.
2) Is a person who has faith in a God that you do not believe in, say for example Siva, practicing a form of self-deception?
Perhaps I can't asnwer this because I do not disbelieve in Siva. Siva, to me, equally exists or does not exist. I do not have faith that Siva does or does not exist. I do not have evidence that Siva exists or does not exist.
did you want to belong to a social club but couldn't because it was "worldly" and witnesses don't get involved with the world?.
did you not go to college simply because witnesses say it's bad?.
did you deprive your kids of things because you were a "good jw"?.
I didn't date. I miss that.
(Dad was not a JW, but Mom was, and the funeral was conducted by one of the Elders).
Whoa, that must've been quite a eulogy, considering every funeral conducted by Elders I've heard contains "our dear brother died with the assured expectation of being resurrected...". Please, oh, please don't let the Elders speak at my funeral!
here is a chapter from my novel, i wept by the waters of babylon.my book is in the final stages of editing, spellchecking and revisions.. .
august 1966.
"okay, let's get ready to start our session.
Enjoyed this; I'll PM comments.
Really captured some elements from the 1960's for me!
post something positive.. .
i'll make the start: after years of fading, my believing wife stopped attending the meetings also and i no longer have to be careful about what i'm talking about when hanging around with the rest of my jw friends.
for me this is quite an achievement and i'm happy with it.. .
Nvr, Dawg, Purps, Gopher, JG...and the rest that I've forgotten to list specifically!
hello again!.
i never thought that so many are believers of a godless life.
i would like to know, because i just don't understand, how anyone can live life feeling god does not and can not exist?
soon he will clean the earth. To sucsessfully win any battle, you have to take stratigic places to attack better and win the war.
Soon...1914? 1975? 1994? The Next Big Date? It's been "soon" for 6,000+ years. It doesn't make sense to me.
??????? God needs to STRATEGIZE? How can God be so limited?
I don't mean to attack, Aleman, honestly - but I cannot conceive of a God so small that the result of any battle at any time in any way can be in doubt. To quote Star Trek: What does God need with a starship?
Still interested in knowing more about what God promised and when it came true.
Still not seeing the need for God (and still fine with him existing, if he does).
Still seeing the dramatic increase in communication and information availability, but no great slide into a worsening moral milieu.
JG: We also have great feather masks now, too! I love your contributions. ;-)
hello again!.
i never thought that so many are believers of a godless life.
i would like to know, because i just don't understand, how anyone can live life feeling god does not and can not exist?
Still waiting for answers on what God promised and when they came true, Aleman.
Ok, what brings you comfort?
In no particular order: My cat. My spouse. My friends. My teachers. My parents. The general good nature of humanity. My success. My love for others, and their love for me. A good book. The sun. The breeze. The sense of my own existence. Knowing I'm a part of a larger whole. My self respect. My appreciation of life. My humor, and that of those around me. This board. My shared experience of humanity.
In short, life. Must I need more?
Is there a particular area I can expand upon?
