Posts by VoidEater

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Proof that molesters are at the Kingdumb Hell

by cultswatter in

notice that the dubs are in their "hall" clothes (which is not unusual) .they must be expecting molesters at the khall.

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VoidEater

Wonder if their stupid "If ya don't scream, it's fornication" now applies to kids.

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Proof that molesters are at the Kingdumb Hell

by cultswatter in

notice that the dubs are in their "hall" clothes (which is not unusual) .they must be expecting molesters at the khall.

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They're gonna have to get pretty explicit on what to say "no" to. Most kids can't really understand what's being done to them, that it's something they can say "no" to. We're raised in that cesspool of dogmatic control to always obey.

This would really mark a paradigm shift of thought - that kids can say "no". What a concept. Kids might even, I don't know, have to start evaluating what is right and wrong.

Could that start a whole species? Thinking Witnesses?

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Its about the enablers, not the abuse It's about the coverups not the crime

by avishai in

this was a phrase spoken by a woman on abc news tonight, re: the catholic sex abuse scandal.

i love this phrase, especially when applied to the jw's and their spokesmen's regular denials that they had anything to do with the abuse.

no, they did'nt order their members to molest children.

VoidEater

My father's mother remarried when my grandfather passed away.

Soon into the marriage my step-grandfather was raping my grandmother at knifepoint. She was counseled to submit, to wait on Jehovah, to stay and be a good wife. She did all those things.

She said not one word. She warned no one.

I recently learned my step-grandfather tried to rape my cousin when she was 12 (this makes it about 35 years ago). She escaped rape, though it's not clear to me how much else she did have visited upon her. She attempted suicide in her 20's, and I wonder how much this attack weighed in on that.

I wonder if my grandmother had at least spoken up about their being a rapist in the family that maybe my cousin would not have been left in his care.

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Homage to AlmostAtheist

by KW13 in

jw
friends

that's actually a great opportunity to see if you've got real friend material on your hands or not.

one of my very best friends is one i don't agree with on some important topics.

we discuss them until we each understand the other's point of view and can identify the exact point of divergence.

VoidEater

Dear AA (Dave): i don't know you well enough to know if we might agree on a lot or a little - but you always present yourself in an honest, authentic, and respecting (as well as self-respecting) way that has placed you in my heart. Now, don't go disagreeing with me on that...

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loving multiples

by chickpea in

loving multiples is about being friends with people who are did, what used to be called multiple personality disorder.

what is disordered, what is askance, what is forever damnable is the reason these splendiferous souls are so fragmented....... the horrific abuse foisted on them by the souless perversions of humanity that harmed them to their very cores, and beyond.

my beloved (((((snicks))))), a gorgeous junoesque brit with the flaming red hair of her norse ancestors, towering above me at 6 feet, whose inner system populates a castle... i had the rare and distnctive privilege of naming her 18 yo alter, she who held the music, who used her age as her designation as she felt undeserving of even a name to be known by ...... her 3 and 5 yos who sat with me on the parlour floor and learned to make balloon animals.... the 10 yo keeper of anger, the worst assignment in the system, because there is rarely ever peace for them in the swirl of chaos and upheaval that is the toxic residue of their moment of creation...... the sweet 8 yo who remained hidden for years even after the others were found.... who cried because i was leaving and she had not been "out" to meet me...... you cannot begin to know the joy i had seeing her laugh while i read her a book and did all the voices and animal sounds.

VoidEater

Wow...and again...I feel humbled and fascinated, and privileged to be in this thread.

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the unkindest cut of all?

by chickpea in

never believing that a foreskin was a birth defect, i left my sons intact...( called genital integrity in some circles).

what, if anything, makes circumcision less of a mutilation than fgm?.

dont kill the questioner!!

VoidEater

any rationale that would put it in the same category as female genital mutilation....

Mutilation is mutilation. One is more cruel than the other; neither should be performed as routine surgery without compelling reason. At least with men, it's likely men came up with the idea for ritual purposes; with women, it seems it was created by men to deny women their sexuality.

In the Western world, I would think the "believers" would be against circumcision because it violates the sanctity of God's creation (except for followers of Judaism, who would maintain their tradition, I would think); the "unbelievers" would be against it because evolution gave us a perfectly good body part for a reason.

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the unkindest cut of all?

by chickpea in

never believing that a foreskin was a birth defect, i left my sons intact...( called genital integrity in some circles).

what, if anything, makes circumcision less of a mutilation than fgm?.

dont kill the questioner!!

VoidEater

I must continue to disagree that there is a health imperative to circumcision. Is it more convenient for caretakers in nursing homes to not have to clean an intact penis? Sure. but this kind of convenience is pretty irrelevant when you're talking about body parts. Taking care of an intact penis is no more difficult nor less imperative than any other bodily maintenance. It's probably more convenient for nursing homes to have clients without teeth, too - just pop those dentures out! ;-) To take the argument to the extreme...oh, but let's not... ;-)

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the unkindest cut of all?

by chickpea in

never believing that a foreskin was a birth defect, i left my sons intact...( called genital integrity in some circles).

what, if anything, makes circumcision less of a mutilation than fgm?.

dont kill the questioner!!

VoidEater

And hmm, never ever heard any man who was circumsized as a child complain as an adult about the mental trauma, or physical pain.

Allow me to be your first. There's a lot of stuff going on that men aren't really allowed to talk about, though that's changing thankfully.

Just a side comment on Dawg's note: Men would be in big trouble if the equivalent of female genital mutilation were performed on men. It would be comparable to cutting off the glans (that knobby thing at the end), not just the foreskin.

Most men seem to adapt to circumcision well when cut as a child, true. It's almost like growing up without Christmas. Not so with most adult circumcisions. The glans is a mucous membrane, not meant to be an "external organ". Suddenly exposing the glans dramatically alters the physicality of the glans and the experience of sex, in some cases making intercourse impossible. When the glans returns to a more natural state after un-circumcision, it's pretty hard to contemplate ever going back.

Edit:

5go notes the cases of sexual identity reassignment (on the rare side, but a massive impact when it happens) due to botched circumcisions. Further, there's the group of boys so severly cut that intercourse will always be painful - or drastically reduced in sensation due to loss of the frenulum, an area of highly condensed nerve endings near the underside base of the glans.

-ve (of the "lots of experience in mens support groups" class)

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