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  scriptural intentional distortions

  by tosko in

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  hi all!.

  can anyone point out clear and intentional distortions in jws translations and interpretations?

  dishonesty in translation?

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  GinnyTosken

  Tosko,

  Can anyone point out clear and intentional distortions in Jws translations and interpretations? Dishonesty in translation?

  Only the anonymous translators of The New World Translation know their intentions and motives, so it is difficult to say whether their questionable translations and interpretrations were deliberately distorted or dishonest.

  Here is an article that tells a little about the anonymous translators of The New World Translation:

  "A Critical Look at the Jehovah's Witness Bible The New World Translation"
  by M. Kurt Goedelman
  http://www.focusonthefaulty.com/Pages/jehovahs.html
  
  Here is a list of problems with The New World Translation:

  http://www.eskimo.com/~jcw/jcw97.html

  Ginny, pleased to meet another tosk
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  Contrarian Ideas

  by larc in

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  maybe it is because i am left handed, first born and received contrarian ideas during my education, but i see some things differently than many here.. 1. jws a cult: i don't think they are a cult.

  i think they are a high control sect.. 2. brain washing: i don't believe that jws are brain washed.

  i think they are indoctrinated if they came in as adults, and i think they were enculcated and enculturated, if they were raised in it.. 3. disfellowshipping: everyone says how terrible and awful it is.

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  GinnyTosken

  In trying to decide where the Watchtower Society falls in the continuum of education, advertising, propaganda, indoctrination, and thought control, the chart at this site helps me a lot:

  http://www.workingpsychology.com/ethics2.html

  The Society's methods are often coercive and sometimes unethical. I am not sure whether the goal is a cohesive group or perpetuation of the group for money and/or power.

  In my opinion, the Society straddles the line between indoctrination and thought control.

  Ginny
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  Jason BeDuhn's work out when?

  by TheOldHippie in

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  does anybody know when jason beduhn's comparing work of bible translations is due to be released?

  i think it is to entitled "war of bibles" or something like that.

  (and much to the regret of quite afew, the nwt will score among the best-ranking translations ....)

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  GinnyTosken

  TheOldHippie,

  Why don't you e-mail Jason BeDuhn and ask him? Last I heard, he was at Northern Arizona University. Here's a link to his e-mail address there:

  http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~jdb8/

  See also: "Prof. Jason BeDuhn letter on the NWT/KIT (part 1)"
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10361&site=3&page=1

  Ginny
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  I am a daddy!

  by dedalus in

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  my daughter was born at 9:05am tuesday morning.

  she's a skinny little thing, 7 pounds 5 ounces, with a shock of black hair, her father's chin, her mother's eyes, and a fetish for sucking on fingertips that neither of us recognize in ourselves.

  i'll post pictures when i have them up somewhere ... meanwhile, foxy and i are trying to catch as much sleep as possible, which is precious little sleep at all.

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  GinnyTosken

  Congratulations, Dedalus! (and Foxy, too!)

  I think this baby girl picked a fine set of parents.

  Ginny
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  Women are COWS!

  by JanH in

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  when a girl reaches the age of puberty or physical maturity, her.

  body has developed in the matter of sex more than in the mind.. young folks like to be together, first in groups, later in twos.. if they have not been instructed by their parents in regard to the.

  permitted, because the female is not in physical condition to breed.. the bull seems to understand this and keeps in his own place.

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  GinnyTosken

  Sighing and thinking of Focus . . .

  Ginny
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  Phone Call From My Mother!

  by Ranchette in

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  the last time i spoke with my mom was the middle of october.

  i called her that time.. many of you are familiar with the relationship problems ive had with my parents since i quit going to meetings almost a year ago.

  for those of you who arent familiar with the situation, you can do a search by clicking on the paper icon under my name to read up on whats been going on.. anyway things were getting worse and worse and nothing good was coming from our discussions or letters.. since i was the one who called her last, i decided to see how long it would take for my parents to get a hold of me the next time.. my mom even told me in the past that she wanted to limit her association with me.

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  GinnyTosken

  LDH,

  I have to agree with you--the responses by Focus have me rather hot and bothered now.

  Remind her POINTEDLY . . .

  Remind her POINTEDLY . . .

  Remind her POINTEDLY . . .

  Pause to let it sink in . . .

  I do not believe in Passive Anything. . . .
  
  In your shoes, I would take the bull - or cow (sorry!) - by the horns and do it face to face.

  [See also: "Women are COWS!"
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=4556&site=3 ]

  Ordinarily the male or bull would not think of approaching
  the female or cow for sex purposes. If he did approach he would not
  receive a hearty welcome, but, rather, he might be gored by the cow's
  horns.

  This done, girds your loins . . .

  Ginny, in condition to breed and following the guidance of the Watchtower Society by making the matter known

  The bull seems to understand this and keeps in his own place. However, when the female of the species is in condition to breed, she makes the matter known.

  from http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=4556&site=3
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  Hi there Island Woman

  by Julie in

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  greetings island woman,.

  i see you had some words for me at the time i took a short sabbatical from this board.

  thought i'd address a few of your thoughts.. :ignorance comes in many forms.

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  GinnyTosken

  Julie,

  Well Ginny then I guess you and I spent countless hours (at what cost we know!) at the pointless excercise of arguing ad hominems.

  I guess that will teach me to care, eh?

  As to my assumptions re: e-mails, that was intended to be more tongue in cheek but I'd wager Amazing was quite the victim there with you as he was here publicly. I mean if you don't have the personal fortitude to argue your case publicly I hardly doubt you'd waste it on one on one.

  Believe what you want to believe, Julie. Nothing I write seems to make a difference anyway.

  Ginny
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  Pedophiles

  by TMS in

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  not having access to a scanner, i will describe the black and white photograph of two ragamuffins, my sister and i. she appears about three, which would have made me about five.

  she is wearing a short dress with faded prints, while i have on a corduroy jumpsuit.

  her little face is squinting up at the camera, while i glance down and to the side.

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  GinnyTosken

  My heart goes out to you, too, TMS. How horrible to witness all this!

  Ginny
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  Hi there Island Woman

  by Julie in

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  greetings island woman,.

  i see you had some words for me at the time i took a short sabbatical from this board.

  thought i'd address a few of your thoughts.. :ignorance comes in many forms.

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  GinnyTosken

  Julie,

  Well yeah, considering you were no doubt sending tear-jerking e-mails to your one last ray of hope, yeah, real objective input from your lifegaurd there Amazing, sorry but the jig is up on that one dude. I have had to put her in the same "objective" category as your ex-wife and your daughter.

  Oh, the assumptions!

  You can believe whatever you want, Julie. There were no "tear-jerking" e-mails from Amazing.

  What is the point of all this, anyway? Let's suppose that Amazing is the most arrogant, egotistical, condescending person to ever walk the face of the earth. Does his character affect the validity of the information and arguments he presents on this discussion board?

  Fallacy: Ad Hominem

  The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

  Example of Ad Hominem

  Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
  Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
  Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
  Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

  from http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

  Ginny
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  Hi there Island Woman

  by Julie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings island woman,.

  i see you had some words for me at the time i took a short sabbatical from this board.

  thought i'd address a few of your thoughts.. :ignorance comes in many forms.

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  GinnyTosken

  Julie,

  I had to be honest about how questionable I found your "objectivity" to be once I learned you were in friendly communication with Amazing. Sorry but I'd like to think that would be a red flag to anyone.

  Was my "objectivity" tainted by friendly communication with you and Tina? Was your own "objectivity" tainted by your friendly communication with Amnesian?

  You are certainly free to think whatever you want. I described my initial impressions as though I'd never heard from either you or Amazing.

  Ginny