what a funny notion that an almighty god can actually be busy or even too busy....
the_end_of_eternity
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What is God doing right now?
by shopaholic inif god exists, what is he so busy doing that he can't help the folks in nvr's thread and the millions of folks in a similar or worst situation?.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/146275/1.ashx.
i was actually going to start a whole rant about it this morning (before i saw nvr's thread) because things are not adding up .
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This is what kept me from moving on a long time
by the_end_of_eternity inpascal's bet.
so it follows that if you believe in god, you gain all, or it is neutral.
on the other then, when you do not believe in god, you loose everything or it is neutral.
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aude:
Then I found Freeminds and JWD, experienced 3 days of shock and awe. It's a whole new world now. Too bad I wasted my better, younger years.
oh yes I can agree on that!
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This is what kept me from moving on a long time
by the_end_of_eternity inpascal's bet.
so it follows that if you believe in god, you gain all, or it is neutral.
on the other then, when you do not believe in god, you loose everything or it is neutral.
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narkissos:
well it was not litterly tis argument. it was this argument in a more broad sense of course. But indeed, the thought "there is a chance that this is still the truth" kept me 'in' a long time....
indeed I use past tence as I am not goint to kingdom halls anymore
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So - you think you know World Geography, eh? Try this!
by AK - Jeff inhttp://minijuegos.com/juegos/html/index.php?id=5974.
i completed 7 levels, final score 220,537, world traveler iq 97. .
in the scheme of things, prob not all that good i suppose.. jeff .
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Level 12, Travel IQ 130, 537,674 points (2nd try)
not so bad actually, he he he
but I have the advantage that I have been in many of those places
thanks for the nice game -
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This is what kept me from moving on a long time
by the_end_of_eternity inpascal's bet.
so it follows that if you believe in god, you gain all, or it is neutral.
on the other then, when you do not believe in god, you loose everything or it is neutral.
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gopher:
yes that is also exactly what I mean. Who says you loose everything. That is one of the wrong assumptions of this equality.
satanus:
yes very well said. not logically at all
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This is what kept me from moving on a long time
by the_end_of_eternity inpascal's bet.
so it follows that if you believe in god, you gain all, or it is neutral.
on the other then, when you do not believe in god, you loose everything or it is neutral.
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the_end_of_eternity
- Pascal's bet
In this principle it says that if you are not sure, your best bet is to believe in God. The reasoning the bet follows is like:
- If you do believe in God and God exists then you gain everything..
- If you do not believe in God, but he does exists, you loose everything.
- If you do believe in God but he does not exists, the result is neutral. You do not gain, nor you loose.
- If you do not believe in God, and he does not exists, the result is neutral. You do not gain nor loose.
So it follows that if you believe in God, you gain all, or it is neutral. On the other then, when you do not believe in God, you loose everything or it is neutral. With other words, better to choice value for your money and believe in God.
This seems like a logical reasoning. But is it really solid? No, the way of reasoning is not correct. Lets look a bit deeper into some points :
This same bet is valid for everything. It is also according to this arguments, the best bet to believe in Allah, Zeus and Santa Claus, and whatever more. But you can’t of course believe in everything, just to be sure..
If you do believe in God, but he does not exists, it says that you do not loose anything. This is not true. You loose your money, time spend and things you did for your God. Believing in God is not free.
Most religions believe that just believing in a god is not enough. It must be believing in the right god. That makes the chances in this scheme not fifty-fifty, but very small. You have to select the exact right God, otherwise everything is in vain anyway.
This bet says implicit that it is a fifty-fifty chance. That both choices are equal. But are they? Maybe the chance that there is a god is much lower then that there is none
This way of reasoning does not cover all possibilities. For example it could be very well possible that there is a god but that he does not care if you believe in him or not. In that case you would loose nothing my not believing in god .
Believing in god is not something that you do as a kind of insurance. That just is not believing.
So this reasoning looks like very plausible. But is it? No actually it is full of holes. So we can not take this bet of Pascal very seriously.
so this is what kept me inside for a long while. But now I think I see it better? Can you agree with the things that I write above or did I miss something here completely? - the end of eternity
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So - you think you know World Geography, eh? Try this!
by AK - Jeff inhttp://minijuegos.com/juegos/html/index.php?id=5974.
i completed 7 levels, final score 220,537, world traveler iq 97. .
in the scheme of things, prob not all that good i suppose.. jeff .
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the_end_of_eternity
ah difficult could not make it, lost at level 11. maybe will try it again thanks nice link
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2008 Distric Conventions..... Dates announced yet???/
by still_in74 inmaybe this just pertains to southern ontario, but have any dates been announced yet for 2008 district assemblies?.
my cousin asked me the other day if i had noticed that we still had not had an announcement for 2008 but that we have had an announcement for 2009 international convention.
after our last dc the accouncement was made that there was nothing to announce as of yet for 2008 dc.
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the_end_of_eternity
I would not knowm but it is with christmas & newyear here always anyway.....