Posts by Ginosko

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The writers of the bible & Jesus

by Ginosko in

more than 20 years ago, before i baptised, i reached the conclusion that the words of the bible are not inspired by god but only the global ideas.

the reason why i reached that conclusion is based on hebrews 6:18 "through to unchageable things in which it is imposible for god to lie" and the title of a famous book written by the jw.

the idea i developed was the following: if there are things in which is impossible for god to lie ,then, by extension there are things in which is possible for god to lie, which is not proper for an ethically perfect god.

Ginosko

Hi A Paduan,

My apologies, English is not my native language.

What I got of your post is the idea that what I'm asking is something similar like a question of: Why didn't God make today some miracle to probe all people that He exist ? Or, Why didn't Jesus make a miracle and put it in some sort of time container, so that all the generations can see it ? If that you idea; I can agree, but in this case I think that in some way is more deep the problem, because it afect our ideas of the message of God: the bible. There are a lot of real confusion in the Cristendom. I don't believe that all the cristian schollarship really don't want to understand the bible. I can see that there a portions of the bible that can be interpreted in some way or another. Maybe this is related in some way with Daniel 12: 9-10. If you agree with this kind of reasoning, please help me if you can, because actually I can't complete understand the bible, and I really want to understand it and to act in a better way.

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The writers of the bible & Jesus

by Ginosko in

more than 20 years ago, before i baptised, i reached the conclusion that the words of the bible are not inspired by god but only the global ideas.

the reason why i reached that conclusion is based on hebrews 6:18 "through to unchageable things in which it is imposible for god to lie" and the title of a famous book written by the jw.

the idea i developed was the following: if there are things in which is impossible for god to lie ,then, by extension there are things in which is possible for god to lie, which is not proper for an ethically perfect god.

Ginosko

Another idea that sustain that only the global ideas are inspired but not the words is that we don't have any copy of the original scrolls of the bible. So the scholarships has the need to recolec a lot of scrolls of differents centuries, compare them, edit them and prepared a work which is call something like RESUNSION (in spanish). And example of that kind of work is the work of Wescott&Hort, but other is Nestle&Allan and also the Stutgartencia for the Hebrew books. If the specific words are inspired, why didn't the Father take care of the original scrolls and now as consecuence we have a lot of variants in the original language ?

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The writers of the bible & Jesus

by Ginosko in

more than 20 years ago, before i baptised, i reached the conclusion that the words of the bible are not inspired by god but only the global ideas.

the reason why i reached that conclusion is based on hebrews 6:18 "through to unchageable things in which it is imposible for god to lie" and the title of a famous book written by the jw.

the idea i developed was the following: if there are things in which is impossible for god to lie ,then, by extension there are things in which is possible for god to lie, which is not proper for an ethically perfect god.

Ginosko

Hi Pom,

As I tried to said, I see some logical problem in the writing of Heb 6:18. This is not a perfect logical writing. I beleive that several of this forum can write this sentence better than that.

On the other hand I complete agree with Saint Satan, even in the case that you are right: Why didn't Jesus didn't write some letters, so all the confusion in the Cristendom will be avoided. For me the answer has something to do with 1 Cor 1:18-21, specially verse 21. And my conclusion is that for the Father is not that important the interpretation that we have of the bible, but the correct attitud.

To all: Come on guys. I want some others opinions. I think the topic is interesting, or is only me ?

Why didn't the Father commision Jesus to write with his own words the bible ?

Why use some people which are less prepare ? Didn't the Father know all the confusion that it will be generated with for example John 1: 1 and a lot of others verses of the bible ?

Ginosko

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The writers of the bible & Jesus

by Ginosko in

more than 20 years ago, before i baptised, i reached the conclusion that the words of the bible are not inspired by god but only the global ideas.

the reason why i reached that conclusion is based on hebrews 6:18 "through to unchageable things in which it is imposible for god to lie" and the title of a famous book written by the jw.

the idea i developed was the following: if there are things in which is impossible for god to lie ,then, by extension there are things in which is possible for god to lie, which is not proper for an ethically perfect god.

Ginosko

Hi Pomegranate,

When you take a pencil, you write your own words, but in the case of the bible, each of the writers use his own words, that's the reason because you found the word love more in John, and the letters of Paul are more rich in the use of the koini. Therefore, the words are not inspired, but only the global ideas.

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The writers of the bible & Jesus

by Ginosko in

more than 20 years ago, before i baptised, i reached the conclusion that the words of the bible are not inspired by god but only the global ideas.

the reason why i reached that conclusion is based on hebrews 6:18 "through to unchageable things in which it is imposible for god to lie" and the title of a famous book written by the jw.

the idea i developed was the following: if there are things in which is impossible for god to lie ,then, by extension there are things in which is possible for god to lie, which is not proper for an ethically perfect god.

Ginosko

More than 20 years ago, before I baptised, I reached the conclusion that the words of the bible are not inspired by God but only the global ideas. The reason why I reached that conclusion is based on Hebrews 6:18 "through to unchageable things in which it is imposible for God to lie" and the title of a famous book written by the JW. The idea I developed was the following: If there are things in which is impossible for God to lie ,then, by extension there are things in which is possible for God to lie, which is not proper for an ethically perfect God. Years after I tripped with a question that I think is important considering all the doctrinal differences: Why did Jesus didn't write personally some of the books of the bible?. My answer is that our beliefs are not that important and even if Jesus would have written the bible, because of the imperfection of the human languaje, even that way, we would have reached to doctrinally divergent opinions therefore again dogmas are not important. For those who believe that the bible is the word of God, does anyone of you have another solution for this problem?

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JESUS CHRIST -- I AM WHO I AM

by UnDisfellowshipped in

(exodus 3:13) and moses said to god, behold, when i come to the children of israel, and shall say to them, the god of your fathers has sent me to you; and they shall say to me, what is his name?

(exodus 3:14) and god said to moses, i am who i am: and he said, thus you shall say to the children of israel, i am has sent me to you.. (exodus 3:15) and god said moreover to moses, thus you shall say to the children of israel, jehovah the god of your fathers, the god of abraham, the god of isaac, and the god of jacob, has sent me to you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.. (john 8:24) i said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you do not believe that i am, you shall die in your sins.. (john 8:28) then jesus said to them, when you have lifted up the son of man, then you shall know that i am, and that i do nothing of myself; but as my father has taught me, i speak these things.. (john 8:53) are you greater than our father abraham, who is dead?

and the prophets are dead: who do you make yourself?.

Ginosko

I miss one point. The Pharisean try to tostone Jesus because they hated him. When a group of persons hate someone they find some reason of guilty not matter if true or not.

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JESUS CHRIST -- I AM WHO I AM

by UnDisfellowshipped in

(exodus 3:13) and moses said to god, behold, when i come to the children of israel, and shall say to them, the god of your fathers has sent me to you; and they shall say to me, what is his name?

(exodus 3:14) and god said to moses, i am who i am: and he said, thus you shall say to the children of israel, i am has sent me to you.. (exodus 3:15) and god said moreover to moses, thus you shall say to the children of israel, jehovah the god of your fathers, the god of abraham, the god of isaac, and the god of jacob, has sent me to you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.. (john 8:24) i said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you do not believe that i am, you shall die in your sins.. (john 8:28) then jesus said to them, when you have lifted up the son of man, then you shall know that i am, and that i do nothing of myself; but as my father has taught me, i speak these things.. (john 8:53) are you greater than our father abraham, who is dead?

and the prophets are dead: who do you make yourself?.

Ginosko

I can agree that according the bible, we can pray Jesus. But I don't agree that this means that Jesus Christ is the same as the Father. And I also can understand that this last words are very polemics, but is my opinion. As I cited in Heb 1:6 the angels also workship Jesus Christ, but I understand that all this is for the glory of the Father as Phi 2:11 told us. For me 1 Cor 8: 5-6 is enough clear. But again, the Father see heart not knowledge. There are a lot of guys more inteligent than us who try to understand this points in the bible and were unable to explain completed clear to us. Don't worry much about this topic. Try to be a better person and to develop a relationship with the Father.

Agape.

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JESUS CHRIST -- I AM WHO I AM

by UnDisfellowshipped in

(exodus 3:13) and moses said to god, behold, when i come to the children of israel, and shall say to them, the god of your fathers has sent me to you; and they shall say to me, what is his name?

(exodus 3:14) and god said to moses, i am who i am: and he said, thus you shall say to the children of israel, i am has sent me to you.. (exodus 3:15) and god said moreover to moses, thus you shall say to the children of israel, jehovah the god of your fathers, the god of abraham, the god of isaac, and the god of jacob, has sent me to you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.. (john 8:24) i said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you do not believe that i am, you shall die in your sins.. (john 8:28) then jesus said to them, when you have lifted up the son of man, then you shall know that i am, and that i do nothing of myself; but as my father has taught me, i speak these things.. (john 8:53) are you greater than our father abraham, who is dead?

and the prophets are dead: who do you make yourself?.

Ginosko

Hi,

English is not my native languaje and almost always I only read the threds. But in this case I think have some information usufull. But this is only my personal opinion.

I AM from John 8:58 come from the greek EGO EIMI. Exodus 3:14 was writted in Hebrew but translated near 200 BC into greek to EGO EIMI O ON and the to the Englis I AM WHO I AM. In the septuagint there a several ocasion in which the words EGO EIMI are used, for example in Gen 24:34 talking about the aplying to a slave of Abraham. Also wa can see in Mat 26: 25 a Judas using EGO EIMI. Therefore, don't try understand any deep revelation in this words.

Personally I can agree that the JW don't understand completed the role of Jesus Christ, but I don't believe in the Trinity. I also can agree according Heb 1:6 that we need to give PROSKYNEO, but I understand that the Father is greater than Jesus Christ.

On the other hand. Is very hard to be sure about any dogma in the bible. The Father see the heart not our kwnoledge.

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How many left over the UN issue?

by seedy3 in

jw
friends

i don't know if this q has been brought up on the forum, if so i apoligize, but i was just thinking about this today, and wondered how many here left or are thinking about or trying to leave the b-org as result of the un fiasco?

how many do you know of that left due to this?.

seedy

Ginosko

At first I had a lot of emotional confusion, and know I'm not complete free of this emotions. I have one intelectual point left in my head. Left me ask some direct and honest question: Are you as a group better that the JW's ? Are you showing godly devotion acts ? Do you think that you have a better relation with God ? or to the ones that don't beleives in God, Do you have better qualities with your husband or wifes and sons ? Don't give more information about the JW, I think that I have enought, tell me about yourselfs as individuals. Are you happiers ? Do you think that you know God better ? Don't you fell alone ? What do other people that are not JW say about you, do they see that you are a better person ? Because if you are better persons, the people around you would tell you.

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How many left over the UN issue?

by seedy3 in

jw
friends

i don't know if this q has been brought up on the forum, if so i apoligize, but i was just thinking about this today, and wondered how many here left or are thinking about or trying to leave the b-org as result of the un fiasco?

how many do you know of that left due to this?.

seedy

Ginosko

I'm one. More than 20 years baptized, the last 8 as an elder. Actually inactive, not removed as an elder, with wife and sons.