Posts by Ginosko

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JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT

by Dogpatch in

http://www.osce.org/odihr/16533.html.

so, you say that jehovah's witnesses aren't "political" or take any part in the affairs of the world?

http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2006/10/21654_en.pdf what does the watchtower say about "political" involvement?

Ginosko

Hi,

I use the Search from the URL:

http://osce.org/documents/

I searched with the last name Gillet, and I found four documents. I download the third document named: Final list of participants.

Then I search the PDF document with the last name Gillet, and found this:

European Association of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses

Rue d'Argile, 60; B-1950 Kraainem; Belgium
Web site: http://www.jw-media.org

Mr. Marcel GILLET

Chairman of the Religious Freedom Subcommittee

Chairman of the Religious Freedom Subcommittee?

Seems that in this opportunity they are doing more than searching articles in the library.

Isn't this scandal even worse than the NGO - UN scandal?

Cordially

Ginosko

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For Gary Busselman

by Motema Bolingo in

jw
friends

i have just sent a (rather urgent) message to your inbox.. would you be so kind to have a quick look and reply on mailto:[email protected].

thanks a lot,.

jacques.

Ginosko

Hi,

Anothers photos of Pascale Petit:

Cordially,

Ginosko

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For Gary Busselman

by Motema Bolingo in

jw
friends

i have just sent a (rather urgent) message to your inbox.. would you be so kind to have a quick look and reply on mailto:[email protected].

thanks a lot,.

jacques.

Ginosko

Hi,

Seems that the models name is Pascale Petit:

Conde de Montecristo, a Spanish forist, found the probable name of the model. http://www.extj.com/foro/view_topic.php?id=675&forum_id=1&page=3 Cordially, Ginosko Pd. Maybe some of you want to buy the original magazine. http://cgi.ebay.de/STERN-vom-13-8-1961-zum-46-Geburtstag_W0QQitemZ150138286881QQcmdZViewItem

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Kind of connections between Momy and the WTBT apologets

by Ginosko in

what kind of connections between wtbt and wtbt apologets do you know exist?.

do you have some facts of active connections between them?.

this kind of questions one member of a spanish forum is asking in the following forum.. http://groups.msn.com/ayafintjchile/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&id_message=26545&lastmodified=4675601159834361272.

Ginosko

Hi,

And what about these sites?

http://jehovah.to/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greektheology/

Do you see only individual efforts in these sites? Cordially, Ginosko

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Kind of connections between Momy and the WTBT apologets

by Ginosko in

what kind of connections between wtbt and wtbt apologets do you know exist?.

do you have some facts of active connections between them?.

this kind of questions one member of a spanish forum is asking in the following forum.. http://groups.msn.com/ayafintjchile/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&id_message=26545&lastmodified=4675601159834361272.

Ginosko

Hi to all,

What kind of connections between WTBT and WTBT apologets do you know exist?

Do you have some facts of active connections between them?

This kind of questions one member of a spanish forum is asking in the following Forum.

http://groups.msn.com/AyafinTjchile/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=26545&LastModified=4675601159834361272

...y asi ir sacando conclusiones sobre si esta página que defiende las particulares creencias de los tj fue encargada por gente de la sucursal de Mexico o es tan solo una iniciativa personal de una persona.

He’s asking about the real intelectual authors of the WTBT apologetics site:

http://www.tjdefendidos.org

Which is a site with "some" good arguments in favor of the WTBT position. But as I read the articles, it come to my attention, that some of the arguments are previous published in English spoken sites.

As I search the internet about the site and the authors, what I find are the following facts:

1. The site is hosted by a mexican computer firm owned by a Jehovah’s Witness named:

http://navojoapcs.com.mx/

http://www.navojoacomputers.com/jehovah/main.html#top

2. The name of the person that registered this URL is: Carlos Medrano Gaxiola

3. The administrators of the site use the nicks names Antonio y Sergio. The nick of the intelectual author of many of the articles is Sergio

http://groups.msn.com/rn18c1b2dslroj53dg/paneldemensaje.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=5281&LastModified=4675403329703552351
De: *Antonio (Mensaje original) Enviado: 30/12/2002 12:56
El sitio web que algunos de ustedes ya conocen y que afortunadamente ha sido de mucha ayuda para los hermanos, ha sido modificado a una mejor apariencia. Además, tiene artículos nuevos cada vez más convincentes, la mayoría de ellos de Sergio, el otro administrador de esta comunidad. Testigos de Jehová DEFENDIDOS, en sus dos páginas http://www.geocities.com/testigoscristianos http://www.geocities.com/tjdefend La otra página, que contiene REFLEXIONES E ILUSTRACIONES, y que yo me hago cargo de ella, también ha tenido algunos cambios, pero solo en la página principal. Aparecerán en esta semana nuevas, enviadas en todo el casi extinto mes de diciembre. http://www.geocities.com/testigoscristianos/ie.html Esperamos que estas páginas les sean de ayuda, especialmente la primera, pues se dedica a combatir las falsas acusaciones que algunos hacen en contra del esclavo fiel y discreto y de la congregación cristiana. Antonio.

4. Sergio presented himself as a young elder from Madrid - Spain, with interest in the history of the Jehovahs Witness, and music.

http://groups.msn.com/rn18c1b2dslroj53dg/paneldemensaje.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=652&LastModified=4675339455080461430
De: Sergio (Mensaje original) Enviado: 20/09/2001 08:21 a.m.
Me presentaré en primer lugar, ya que soy nuevo:
Me llamo Sergio, y soy anciano (¡aunque joven!) de una congregación de España. Por mis ocupaciones tal vez no pueda participar de forma regular, pero haré lo que pueda.

5. Sergio use to participate in some English forums:

http://amazingforums.com/forum/HGREW/13.html
http://www.touchstoneforum.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.pl?az=show_thread&om=638&forum=DCForumID2&omm=3&viewmode=threaded

6. There is a strange use of an e-mail with the domain name of TJDefendidos and the name David Weir.

http://lists.aiesec.org/cgi-bin/wa?A1=ind0610&L=afrc-voice

But the final point is that I’m not sure about the real nature of the intelectual authors of the site.

¿Do you have some facts about the kinds of connections that the WTBT apologetics sites have with mom?

Maybe some of you have more experience than me in Internet, and want to help me in find more information about these questions.

Cordially Ginosko

Pd. Sorry about my bad English. Don't worry about the spanish, the main ideas I alredy translated for you.

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NO BENEFITS TO BLOOD TRANSFUSION...?

by Gill in

the august 2006 awake, makes the claim that there is no benefit to blood transfusion except in trauma, according to proffessor bruce spiess:.

there are few if any (medical) articles that supposrt transfusion actually improving outcome.

" in fact, he writes that many transufusions 'may do more harm than good in virtually every instance except trauma,' increasing 'the risk of pneumonia, infections, heart attacks and strokes.'.

Ginosko

Hi Marvin, Thanks for your informations. Sorry for my bad English. I didn't study medicine, but as I understand, ICU level 3 is a very specialiced ICU, in which facilities the deaths drops considerably, compared with other ICU facilites, because of better protocols and cares. In the following link we could see a USA 1992 statistics of about 4,000,000 admitance a year for ICU facilities, with 500,000 deaths a year.
http://www.sccm.org/SCCM/Professional+Resources/Quality+Corner/Success+Stories/QualityCornerSuccessStoriesTale.htm
From this numbers we could estimate a 12% estimate of probability of deaths for those admited in a ICU facility.

The Australian study talks of a 8.8% of deaths for his ICU level 3 facility. We can see the benefits of better protocols and treatments.

In my previous estimate I did the followings statements:

1. Of the 1,000,000 JW in USA, 50,000 will requiere blood in an emergency.

2. According the Austrain study, considering all the risk and causes. The JW's will have more probability to die: From the 8.8% of general population to 21.2%.

3. Translating this to numbers: Innecesary Deads of JW = 50,000 * (21.2% - 8.8%) = 6,200.

But, as we could agree, this number apply only in the ideal case t hat all JW will obtain the better treatment avaliable in our hospitals. In others ICU facilities, the number of innecesary deaths will grow.

So 6200, is the low estimate number of innecesary deaths because of the bloodless teaching of the WTBT. If we consider all the ICU facilities, a better estimate could be:

Percentage deaths of patients in all ICU facilities: 12%

Percentage deaths of patients in ICU Level 3 facilities: 8.8%
Innecesary deaths of JW for all ICU's facilities: 6,200 * (12% / 8.8%) = 8,455.

The number 8,455 is only an estimate, before we have a definitive study about this topic.

If you have a better way about how we could estimate this number, I would appreciate.

Cordially, Ginosko

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NO BENEFITS TO BLOOD TRANSFUSION...?

by Gill in

the august 2006 awake, makes the claim that there is no benefit to blood transfusion except in trauma, according to proffessor bruce spiess:.

there are few if any (medical) articles that supposrt transfusion actually improving outcome.

" in fact, he writes that many transufusions 'may do more harm than good in virtually every instance except trauma,' increasing 'the risk of pneumonia, infections, heart attacks and strokes.'.

Ginosko

Hi,

I think that the following information is reliable. I obtain it from MedScape.

Bloodless intensive care: a case series and review of Jehovah's Witnesses in ICU.Anaesth Intensive Care. 2004; 32(6):798-803 (ISSN: 0310-057X)

MacLaren G; Anderson M

Intensive Care Unit, The Alfred Hospital, Melbourne, Victoria.

The objective of this study was to assess the outcome of Jehovah's Witness (JW) patients admitted to a major Australasian ICU and to review the literature regarding the management of critically ill Jehovah's Witness patients. All Jehovah's Witness patients admitted to the ICU between January 1999 and September 2003 were identified from a prospective database. Their ICU mortality, APACHE II scores, APACHE II risk of death and ICU length of stay were compared to the general ICU population. Twenty-one (0.24%) out of 8869 patients (excluding re-admissions) admitted to the ICU over this period were Jehovah's Witness patients. Their mean APACHE II score was 14.1 (+/- 7.0), the mean APACHE II risk of death was 21.2% (+/- 16.6), and the mean nadir haemoglobin (Hb) was 80.2 g/l (+/- 36.4). Four out of 21 Jehovah's Witness patients died in ICU compared to 782 out of 8848 non- Jehovah's Witness patients (19.0% vs 8.8%, P = 0.10, chi square). The median ICU length of stay in both groups was two days (P = 0.64, Wilcoxon rank sum). The lowest Hb recorded in a survivor was 23 g/l. Jehovah's Witness patients appear to be an uncommon patient population in a major Australasian ICU but are not over-represented when compared with their prevalence in the community. Despite similar severity of illness scores and predicted mortality to those in the general ICU population, there was a trend towards higher mortality in Jehovah's Witness patients.

As you can see, the risk for death in Jehovahs Witness patientes according this scientifc study, is more probably than for general population: 19% vs 8,8%. That's in the case of critical ill, when they avoid blood treatment.

You also could find other statisticals references that says that: One in 20 Americans will require a blood transfusion at some point in their lives.

With this numbers in mind, and knowing that they are 1,000,000 JW in USA, we could estimate that:

1. Of the 1,000,000 JW in USA, 50,000 will requiere blood in an emergency.

2. According the Austrain study, considering all the risk and causes. The JW's will have more probability to die: From the 8.8% of general population to 21.2%.

3. Translating this to numbers: Innecesary Deaths of JW = 50,000 * (21.2% - 8.8%) = 6,200.

Why didn't the WTBT publish this study?

Cordially,

Ginosko

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Does WTS claim that Jesus 2nd presence was in 1874 or 1914? (non-JW asks)

by whyizit in

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friends

i'm not a jw, nor have i ever been, so some of the things that my jw friends tell me just don't seem to make sense.

to avoid conflict in our friendship, sometimes i just let things slide, rather than argue.

i am, however, a bible-believing, non-denominational christian who reads and studies the bible frequently, and loves yahweh.. my jw friend just slipped yet another wt magazine in my door and it says that: "jesus christ began to rule as king of god's kingdom in 1914.

Ginosko

Hi Whyizit,

Some pictures published by the WTBT before 1900 could gives us some light about this question.

alt

Cordially

Ginosko

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Something significant changed in the WTS in 1984... but what was it???

by Elsewhere in

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friends

looking at this chart i can't help but notice that pre-1984 the growth statistics were extremely erratic.

then, all of the sudden in 1984 the growth statistics calmed down and have ever since fallowed a much more stable trend.

it's almost a straight line after 1984.. so what happened?

Ginosko

Maybe the red bomb: You can live forever ... which replace the blue bomb, can explain that statistics behavior.

The book was edited in 1982, but its effects could be noticed one or two two years latter.

Ginosko

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Website URL from Chile

by blondie in

jw
friends

i thought i saved it and now can't find it.

oldtimer's disease.. if you saved it, can you post it here or pm me.

thanks.. blondie

Ginosko

Hi Blondie,

I think you are looking for this URL forum: http://groups.msn.com/AyafinTjchile/mensajes.msnw Maybe you would also like some other spanish URL forums: From Argentina: http://groups.msn.com/TESTIGOSDEJEHOVA---NOMAZCARAS/general.msnw From Miami: http://www.extj.com/foro/ From Spain: http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hodos-camino/

Ginosko