" --only those in the kingdom covenant were served the bread & wine by jesus--" ---false!
this phrase switches from the forgiveness of sin part to the exclusive anointed club section of the memorial talk, and it is false because: the kingdom covenant was done after the passover was done.
and the promise of thrones and judging israel in math 19:28 was not a covenant but an assurance.
The 'great crowd' is a parallel with all the Israelites who escaped Egypt through the Red Sea.
The 144k is a parallel of the priestly or honorific class, the Levitical class, that was a subset of the escaping great crowd.
In other words, the 'great crowd' is all Christians. The 144k is a smaller group of privileged Christians with the role of sitting on thrones.
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only decades later I realise how harmful the JW obscene policy against birthdays harmed me as a child
i remember studying this book years ago and how it impacted my belief system.
i no longer believe the bible is god's word.
however i do have a couple of lingering questions on this subject.
If you believe in the Bible then you believe in an immoral God that committed or sanctioned genocide, amongst other horrible crimes (in the ancient past and will again at Armageddon in the future).
If you believe God has the right to commit or sanction genocide, then basically morality does not exist.
The only rational and enlightened decision then, as hard as it may be for you, is to accept that the Bible cannot possibly be true.
... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.
it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.
they take pride in obedience.
Excellent article here makes similar points: www.jwsrefined.com
Quite simply, a blood transfusion cannot be wrong in God's eyes because the symbol that blood represents, ie, the lost soul or life, has not occurred.
so, i went to the memorial tonight.
i've been out for about 10 years, but i went at my husband's suggestion to placate my parents.
i listened to the talk and about 90% of what they said, i agreed with.
Satan isn't deceiving anyone. The ancient Jewish priests and scribes deceived everyone with scary stories about a blood thirsty, vengeful God in order to scare the people into obedience and submission, and to keep those tasty meat sacrifices coming in that only the non-working priests were permitted to eat.
You've got to shed your mind of ancient superstition and fables.
i know i'm angry.
i was curious if others are too.
i feel completely justified in my anger as well.
What are you so angry about Christianity for? It's Islam you need to be angry about.
Christianity and Europe has mostly shed it's centuries long stranglehold on enlightenment and scientific knowledge and truth. Thankfully we now live in a mostly secular, skeptical Christian age where even most Christians don't take many of their own ancient writings too literally.
Unfortunately the same can't be said for Islam. It will probably be many centuries before Islam manages to shed itself of all the superstitious ignorance that still pervades it. The power of Islam over it's adherents minds is truly staggering and frightening, some 1400 years since their illiterate, cave-dwelling 'prophet' Mohammed had his 'visions'.
You should feel more angry about that, and all the violence and evil and suffering it is presently causing.
The only positive side to all the terrorism is it is polarising the younger generation of Muslims. It is pushing a few nutter muslims into extremism and militarism, but it is pushing even more towards disgust and apathy towards their parents religion.
so, i went to the memorial tonight.
i've been out for about 10 years, but i went at my husband's suggestion to placate my parents.
i listened to the talk and about 90% of what they said, i agreed with.
JW's doctrine on the new covenant is one of the most obviously screwed up and perverted doctrines of the JW's.
The scriptures clearly show all Christians partook, as they were all commanded to, and there is not such thing as a 'true Christian' who is not in the new covenant. There is no such thing in scripture as a mere 'observer' of the memorial.
The new covenant is about forgiveness of sins, not about a destination (heaven v earth).
As all Israelites were in the old covenant, even proselytes, so all Christians are in the new covenant.
It's obvious that the great crowd in Revelation must be in the new covenant. They have washed their robes in the blood of the lamb and are even standing in the 'naos' itself before God.
when i was an elder we had a sister who was known for providing oral pleasures to some people in the congo.
i was on the committee.
this girl for some odd reason was put on public reproof 4 times for the same thing.
my significant others church, what do they do on the week of christs death?
sunday service all based on jesus death, big 50 person choir, performances, etc.
last night some special service, they have a sit down passover w/ the bread and wine, then 24 hours it's open w/ special places for anybody any time of night to come and pray if they want.
The memorial is the REJECT JESUS ceremony for JW's.
No such thing as a mere 'observer' of the memorial in scripture; all Christians were commanded to partake.
No such thing as a 'true Christian' who wasn't in the new covenant either, according to scripture
But booze Rutherford said that' s all old hack, he knew better.
it's bad enought that young people in the wt have to sell magizines, risk shunning when they find out the truth about the gb... but this article really makes me laugh and angry at the same time.
the part that made me the maddest was when the father said he "conquered" the habit, lying bastard!
http://www.watchtower.org/e/200611a/article_01.htm.
a bit of spanking the monkey does no harm; its excessive guilt attached to it that can do harm - which articles like this foster. They even seen articles that mention the unforgiveable sin in the context of masturbation.
