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  The Triune Polytheism; the 'Trinity'

  by the-Question in

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  the most ridiculous of all dogmas anywhere in the universe is the very foundation of churchianity.....thus, all their other claims are just blah, blah!.

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  fukitol

  Frankly I agree with the OP.

  Although most of the Bible is sheer bunkum, the trinity doctrine goes the extra mile in being a lot of utterly absurd bunkum; yet its supposed to be the foundation doctrine of Christianity.

  Laughable.
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  Morality Without Deity

  by cofty in

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  one of the most persistent arguments for belief in god centres on the necessity of an ultimate law-giver and epitome of goodness.. a softer version is seen in the genuine concern that a loss of faith will result in a corresponding loss of a moral compass - a more strident argument links the existence of good and evil with proof of the reality of god.

  it is often asserted that without god, moral decisions degenerate to nothing more than personal preferences and the victory of "might is right".. i want to succinctly lay out my response as an atheist, and show that a supreme being is not required for objective morality.. it is helpful to distinguish between absolute morality, objective morality and subjective morality.

  christian apologists frequently conflate the first two, and secular debaters often fail to point out the difference.. theists who disagree on everything else, are unanimous that god is perfectly good.

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  John Mann:

  History show us that some accounts is literally impossible.
  Every battle and genocide is a symbol for our inner faith struggles.
  Catholicism is not founded on Bible. The NT is a product of Catholicism. Outside Catholicism the Bible is pure nonsense.
  Amazing how Atheists here seems just to take the Sola Scriptura approach. If Sola Scriptura is the only approach so I'm an Atheist too.

  And so the special pleading begins. Cherry pick what scriptures suit and reject what doesn't.

  In that case you have just completely sawn off the branch you are sitting on, since all knowledge of your God comes from the Bible.

  Case closed.
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  Morality Without Deity

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the most persistent arguments for belief in god centres on the necessity of an ultimate law-giver and epitome of goodness.. a softer version is seen in the genuine concern that a loss of faith will result in a corresponding loss of a moral compass - a more strident argument links the existence of good and evil with proof of the reality of god.

  it is often asserted that without god, moral decisions degenerate to nothing more than personal preferences and the victory of "might is right".. i want to succinctly lay out my response as an atheist, and show that a supreme being is not required for objective morality.. it is helpful to distinguish between absolute morality, objective morality and subjective morality.

  christian apologists frequently conflate the first two, and secular debaters often fail to point out the difference.. theists who disagree on everything else, are unanimous that god is perfectly good.

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  John Mann:

  What's the problem to a Christian if morality comes from directly from God's nature (as opposed from His will or intellect as you put as "divine command"). I don't see any dilemma in this.

  The problem for Christians is that the Bible contains accounts of morally abhorrent actions claimed to have been commanded, sanctioned or performed by God, such as genocidal ethnic cleansing, killing children, etc.
  
  
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  Morality Without Deity

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the most persistent arguments for belief in god centres on the necessity of an ultimate law-giver and epitome of goodness.. a softer version is seen in the genuine concern that a loss of faith will result in a corresponding loss of a moral compass - a more strident argument links the existence of good and evil with proof of the reality of god.

  it is often asserted that without god, moral decisions degenerate to nothing more than personal preferences and the victory of "might is right".. i want to succinctly lay out my response as an atheist, and show that a supreme being is not required for objective morality.. it is helpful to distinguish between absolute morality, objective morality and subjective morality.

  christian apologists frequently conflate the first two, and secular debaters often fail to point out the difference.. theists who disagree on everything else, are unanimous that god is perfectly good.

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  fukitol

  As you alluded to, the Euthyphro Dilemma is pretty much all one needs to know to refute this typical Christian apologetic.

  If morality is independent of God and exists outside of Him, then it means God is not all powerful and that He is subject to something greater than himself, ie, objective morality. No Christian can accept this proposition and still believe God is omnipotent.

  However, if the source of all morality is from God and is not something outside and independent of God then objective morality does not exist, since it is only a reflection of Gods divine commands. It would mean morality is arbitrary and that might is right after all, as Satan claimed.

  It's an intractable dilemma.

  Some Christians have said the dilemma is false, claiming there is a third option. But it's not very convincing.
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  I spoke to 2 Jobos on a cart but I refused to discuss religion

  by punkofnice in

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  i was in a good mood yesterday (makes a bloody change, i hear you say).

  i was meeting an old buddy for a meal.

  he was never a jobo.

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  Its Johos not Jobos.
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  7th Day Adventist growth/decline stats similar to JWs

  by fukitol in

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  the sda's are also getting most of their growth in africa and latin america but plateauing or declining in europe and parts of the western world.. what's also interesting is the sda leadership fronts up and attempts to explain why there is decline in some areas of the world (albeit somewhat disingenously), eg, on the link below from 2014. but the watchtower leaders have never tried to give any explanation for why membership is dramatically falling away in the western world.

  increasingly worried jws are instead turning to other sources of information to try and understand why the 'true religion' is contracting.. http://news.adventist.org/en/all-news/news/go/2013-10-13/membership-nears-18-million-secretary-highlights-regions-of-growth-decline/.

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  The SDA's are also getting most of their growth in Africa and Latin America but plateauing or declining in Europe and parts of the western world.

  What's also interesting is the SDA leadership fronts up and attempts to explain why there is decline in some areas of the world (albeit somewhat disingenously), eg, on the link below from 2014. But the Watchtower leaders have never tried to give any explanation for why membership is dramatically falling away in the western world. Increasingly worried JWs are instead turning to other sources of information to try and understand why the 'true religion' is contracting.

  http://news.adventist.org/en/all-news/news/go/2013-10-13/membership-nears-18-million-secretary-highlights-regions-of-growth-decline/
  
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  upskirt voyeur a JW

  by Luo bou to in

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  2. scandals

  report was in nz news paper recently this guy had a camera attached to his witnessing bag so he could film up girls skirts hyperthetical can you imagine before he was caught this bro being commended for his zeal in the ministry and used as a role model for reporting a lot of hours which is considered by the elders a measure of ones spirituality .

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  He was actually an elder.
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  1917 - What REALLY happened?

  by neat blue dog in

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  2. scandals

  regarding what happened post russell in 1917, if you ask a jw, they'll say it was the fault of the ousted board members who were 'self willed'.

  if you ask an ex-jw, they'll say it was a 'power grab' by rutherford.

  the latest yearbook elaborates on the situation:.

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  fukitol

  Great post krismalone, thanks.
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  Governing Body Discontinues the New World Translation as 'OLD Light'???

  by Ruby 1976 in

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  2. bible

  i just saw this posted on a facebook group.

  anyone know if there is any truth to this?.

  http://www.exjehovahswitness.com/gb-discontinues-new-world-translation-as-old-light.html.

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  It's a piss-take.
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  The spirit that guides JW org

  by anointed1 in

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  we can draw a parallel: the democrats lost the us presidential election, and they started blaming everyone else (including foreign powers) except themselves.

  they forgot the reason for their own victory before—it was the direct and proportionate result of the poor performance of the then ruling party.

  and now after 8 years of mess, people voted for a change.

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  fukitol

  Umm..OK.

  The fundamental error of the organization, like all religious organizations, is that they take their given 'holy book' literally.