He Who Controls the Spice Controls the Universe ! Oops, wrong story....
I just got home from work and noticed that this thread certainly took off.While some here obviously fully understand the point and premise of this thread it's also obvious that some who are so utterly infatuated with God, and the supposed eternal rewards they hope will be given them because of 'sticking up' for Him, that they can't get past the idea that he doesn't play fair at all ! So please let me 'splain it to ya...
"Who are we to question God ?!? ", "You think you know better ?", "God can change the rules if He feels like it, He's God for god's sakes !", "He can do what he wants ! ", "Might makes right ", "Leave Britney alone !!! "
You see, these statements defy all reason. Why ? Because according to the Bible: "God is LOVE " And love doesn't look for it's own interests.
If someone can read this thread all the way from page one to here, and more importantly read the Bible from page 1 to here, and still cannot see how God doesn't play fairly and changes the rules whenever he feels like it, I don't think there's much of anything I or anyone else can do.
When someone's mind is made up, practically no one can change it.However, if you can change the circumstances, or if the circumstances change by themselves, the person's perception might be altered and achieve the desired result of a changed mind.This is how sympathy can come about.A person may judge others harshly until they themselves experience the same circumstance, then their entire outlook can change.What does this have to do with anything ?
Put yourself in Adam and Eve's position.The mandate: Eat the fruit and the day you eat of it, you die.Very clear, is it not ?
How would you take it ? Is the fruit poisoned , is that why I'll die ? Well, a talking snake says: "You won't die, instead, you'll be like God ! " Eve is deceived and eats... and doesn't die ! " So she offers some to her husband.He's not deceived and thusly takes God at His word...that he WILL die; and in the day he eats of it.Take a moment and consider that.Eve believed Satan that she wouldn't die and ate.But as Adam looked into her eyes...she was VERY much alive ! According to the apostle Paul,Adam wasn't deceived, so he must have thought he would die.The day was not yet over.So whether Adam believed they would be executed or that they would simply die from the fruit, is really immaterial. Why ? Because it doesn't change things and this discussion is about God's role in all of this; a subject that makes some very uncomfortable.
There is a line that many believers are unwilling to cross.That God may, in fact, not be what He says he is.Or that the concept of God may not be what we think it is.
What seems to be overlooked by many when reading this account, is just how much information is kept from Adam and Eve.One would think that since the future of the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE is at stake, that God would do everything in His power to make available as much information as possible and to make sure everything is exceptionally clear.What IS left out, is the fact that NO mention of a FUTURE DESCENDANTS is EVER mentioned in regarding to eating the fruit.THREE people are involved God(1) who tells Adam(2), who apparently tells Eve(3)
Again,it's just them.Eve was not pregnant.No children had been produced and so there was NO reason to think ANYONE ELSE besides themselves would be involved, so let's not just make up what isn't mentioned in the BIble , 'kay ? Cause I've noticed that many apologists frequently like to take a ride on the Assumption-O-Rama when the facts get just a little too real.Again...
NO reason to believe that other people would be involved.However...
"Adam sinned, and that sin brought death into the world. Now everyone has sinned, and so everyone must die"Romans 5:12
Hello ? "Everyone" was TWO people.Apparently God decided to change the rules and kill yet unborn indivduals that had absolutely NOTHING to do with Adam and Eves sin ! Not fair !
"The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity;
Oops ! Where the hell did that come from ? Oh, it was "God's WORD" as recorded at Ezekiel 18:20 Another example:David sinned,God killed his kid."Then the LORD struck the child that Uriah's widow bore to David..."
NO reason to believe that a day had been turned into 930 years.I mean, that's one hell of a daylight savings time.I guess God decided, "Let em live until they have kids, then we can kill them too !" Awesome ! Thanks man, what a blessing.
But wait, there's more ! Because if you order now, I'll curse the earth on your account too ! Now the ground will grow thorns and you can eat bread in the sweat of your face for the rest of your days! Plus, for only $19.99 I'll give your wife birth pains like she won't believe ! I know I didn't mention all of these great bonuses before....but I'm cool like that !
Not only that, but God decided that if these two screw up; he would kill his own kid to "pay" for what everyone else did too ! Kind of the ultimate guilt trip, huh ? I mean humans get to live out the rest of their lives as measley good-for-nothing slaves condemned to death for sins they didn't commit and deal with the "fact" that God sacrificed his own Son to get back a future they never lost ! What a wonderful story ! And guess what ? If we don't appreciate it enough, he'll cap our ass too ! That's more than fair, isn't it ?
Yep.... God=LOVE