jwblog,
The onus is on you to prove that the flood was a "factual" event! Can you??
cynisister
when i first attended the congregation of jehovahs witnesses i never even thought about whom or what was the faithful and discreet slave.
i do not believe that this information is ever taught to the public directly.
i think you have to be baptised or start attending the same meetings as those that are baptised.. anyway what made all of you adapt the teaching of the faithful and discreet slave (class or whatever)?
jwblog,
The onus is on you to prove that the flood was a "factual" event! Can you??
cynisister
i thought i have relatively had everything figured out, like life, death, god does he exist or does he not.
is the bible make believe?.
can we really be sure that it is inspired, after all we were not around to see the process being done.
Thank you, Gopher, for "I would rather have questions I can't answer than answers I cannot question"! This tells it all for me, and it will be my new mantra.
Cynisister
just wanting some confirmation regarding this letter on eliminating the bs arrangement.
if it is going to be read tomorrow apr.
27th, i think i just may attend with my faithful hubby to hear it myself.
Thanks so much. I can't attend today, but I'll shock my ever-loyal hubby when I tell him I will go to the meeting with him tomorrow.
I'll tell my story in another post when I have more time (I have an almost 60-year JW experience!)
Cynisister
just wanting some confirmation regarding this letter on eliminating the bs arrangement.
if it is going to be read tomorrow apr.
27th, i think i just may attend with my faithful hubby to hear it myself.
Yes, I agree and theorize that they are also trying to hold on to the members by lightening up on the rigid schedule we've had forever. But is this announcement going to be read tomorrow, or another Sunday?
Thanks, Cynisister
just wanting some confirmation regarding this letter on eliminating the bs arrangement.
if it is going to be read tomorrow apr.
27th, i think i just may attend with my faithful hubby to hear it myself.
Hi Everyone! Just wanting some confirmation regarding this letter on eliminating the BS arrangement. If it is going to be read tomorrow Apr. 27th, I think I just may attend with my faithful hubby to hear it myself. I will appreciate knowing for sure.
Cynisister
we're pretty sure what will happen next week but not why.. this thread is just for a list of changes that will affect those who still go.. .
1) no more private book study arrangements.
the book study host will ask themselves "why?".
This is the first I've heard of this change (haven't been attending meetings lately altho my hubby still does.) Is this to be announced on Sunday the 27th? I will probably want to go for that one! If this is true, then to me it is just another desperate attempt to hold on to the JW members. There must be a real slack-off in meeting attendance and the FDS is alarmed obviously. But it just reaffirms my position that I have taken, which I finally made clear to my husband just a month ago, that I will not go in service ever again, and I will not stay on the "treadmill" of regular meeting attandance because I don't believe in this religion at all anymore! He didn't really want to let me explain the cogent reasons I have spent the last 5 years developing and researching, but he said he sorta expected this from me. What a huge relief to get that off my chest and feel some true freedom at last! (Been baptized since I was 12 in 1961 - a long, long time!)
Cynisister
on the basis of the sacrifice of jesus christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to jehovah to do his will?
do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of jehovah's witnesses in association with god's spirit-directed organization?
question # 2 had to be drawn up by a lawyer.
My baptism was 48 years ago, and I did not answer this revised question (vow.) Can I legally claim not to be a real "associate" since I never agreed to such a thing??
i wish i could not think its so wrong when everyone i know and love thinks its so right.. i'm so mad... i wish i could run to my husband and tell him how angry i am.
tell him and my family that i don't ever want to go near a kh again.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cognac, Your situation is exactly mine! I am daily faced with the same two choices, and go through the "dialog" I despedrately want to have with my husband and my newly divorced son (yes, his ex was a witness - they have two sons 9 & 6, my beloved grandsons whom I will not see if I say anything.) I continually research and study the reasons and proofs for my new-found lack of faith so as to be absolutely accurate when I actually do have this conversation. I am biding my time, waiting for the chapter in the Rev. book on the UN, at which time I plan to show my husband the affiliation the WTS had with it for 10 years. He already knows about my position on the changes in the blood doctrine. (He encouraged my to go to the elders, I did, they didn't get the point at all, and told me to write to the WTS. I did that,too. I was assured by my elders I would get a loving letter back from them. Well, guess what?? They had a rep. call my po and set up a meeting with me. My husband got scared, so I promised I would back off. I sat in my home with the two "shepherds" counseling me on obedience even when we don't understand. But when they left, my husband did say "They didn't answer your question!" However, his final statement to me was "The hope is wonderful, the people are good, and that's all good enough for me - end of story!")
So I truly empathize with you on this awful prospect of either being a total outcast from everyone whom I love (I have a huge witness family) or suffering at the meetings in silence. I know how hard this is. I have quit the "school" two years ago, and for the last 6 month have not reported any time in fs. They have stopped asking me for time. (Whew! what a relief that is.) So, I guess I have faded to a somewhat bearable point. No one of my witness chums call, or write, but I get some hugs and "nice to see you" greetings at the kh, so they seem to be leaving me alone for now.
Hope this helps a little to know you are NOT alone!
Cynisister
i have been out a long, long time.
3 rd generation.
my younger brother died a few months ago, he was 40 years old and had left the "truth" as a teenager.
Yes, witnesses have believed as long as I can recall (50 years baptized) that all, good or bad, if they die before Armageddon will be resurrected. This has always bothered me, but when 911 occurred, and we were sent out by the gb to "comfort" our neighbors with this hope, I thought this can't be right. All these people could have been downright evil in their private lives, yet they deserve a resurrection. My dad, in his 80's never got baptized for whatever reason, but claims he believes this is the right religion,and is a good person. But if he lives until Arm., he will be destroyed, whereas if he dies before it comes, he will live! How crazy is that??? This is what started me really facing all my questions that I have kept pushed down for so long.
hello, i'm new, and for the present must put on the appearance of a loyal witness for the sake of family, but by patience is wearing quite thin these days.
more about me at another time.. has anyone noticed that the wts has once again changed the meaning of "generation" in the newest watchtower (feb. 15, '08 issue)?
they are connecting it in a weird way to the brothers of joseph.
Hello, I'm new, and for the present must put on the appearance of a loyal witness for the sake of family, but by patience is wearing quite thin these days. More about me at another time.
Has anyone noticed that the WTS has once again changed the meaning of "generation" in the newest Watchtower (Feb. 15, '08 issue)? They are connecting it in a weird way to the brothers of Joseph. But the key point seems to be, as the subheading for par. 4 states, that the time will be EXTENDED rather than short, as previously taught. In view of the fact that new GB members are young, and they teach that some will still be alive when the end comes, they are covering their embarassment by cleverly lengthening the time of the end.
Anyone comments?