JW's hate talking about Jesus' spirit but if they say his presence on earth is his projected spirit then they have got themselves in another bind...... and from were did he direct his presence from ? please expand ?
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are they saying jesus came back now or not......
by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 ini want to know if they have changed thier stance on weather jesus came back "invisibly" in 1914......?
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are they sticking to this or slowley distancing themselves from it................. for all you km insiders [please expand] .
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are they saying jesus came back now or not......
by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 ini want to know if they have changed thier stance on weather jesus came back "invisibly" in 1914......?
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are they sticking to this or slowley distancing themselves from it................. for all you km insiders [please expand] .
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grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95
where can i get a copy of proclaimers page for my dad............. i cant believe that could change something like that as if it were NO THANG !!!
i remember when my dad told christians at the door that Jesus had come back they would look at him like he was a crazy man....
i once showed a christian a picture if jesus on a stake not a cross and tears ran down her face...........
man WTF seroiusly one of our main doctranal issues was the CASE THAT JESUS HAD ALREADY RETURNED FFS
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are they saying jesus came back now or not......
by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 ini want to know if they have changed thier stance on weather jesus came back "invisibly" in 1914......?
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are they sticking to this or slowley distancing themselves from it................. for all you km insiders [please expand] .
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grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95
isnt saying that "he directed his attention towards earth" saying now that he hasn't actually returned to earth ? in otherwords the second coming with lightning and flashes is still to come ?
when i was a JW i was led to believe that jesus was ruling invisibly on earth !!!!!!!!!!!!
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are they saying jesus came back now or not......
by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 ini want to know if they have changed thier stance on weather jesus came back "invisibly" in 1914......?
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are they sticking to this or slowley distancing themselves from it................. for all you km insiders [please expand] .
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grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95
i want to know if they have changed thier stance on weather jesus came back "invisibly" in 1914......?
are they sticking to this or slowley distancing themselves from it................. for all you KM insiders [please expand]
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New DVD
by mann377 ini came home and found my wife and son starting to watch a dvd that was provided to them before the circuit overseerer's visit tonight.
so i sat down to watch.
i must say it was the most bs i have watched in a long time.
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grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95
is a downloadable copy availabe ?.............
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grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95
who forgets...... dont you remember when someone was D/F'd they would say....."oh what a shame he's going to die at armagedon now"
it was the general consensus.....No?
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The "generation" cover-up continues
by proplog2 inwell, the new "generation" light has finally been released in print.
this is important because it the centerpiece of their whole orientation.. it is still a disjointed coverup of why they have this doctrine in the first place.
christ didn't come in 1874 or 1914. .
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are they still saying he came "invisibly" in 1914?
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if i was to write a letter to the WTBS what would be the address ...?
by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 ini would like to write the wbts a letter and ask a question..one that maybe confronting in regards to their doctrane.... .
what would be the address?..........
and has anyone written before on confronting issues and recievd an answer.....?.
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grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95
i would like to write the WBTS a letter and ask a question..one that maybe confronting in regards to their doctrane....
what would be the address?..........
and has anyone written before on confronting issues and recievd an answer.....?
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my research into antient hebrews mingling thier blood during covenant......
by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 inin this book, the miriclle of the scarlet thread, richard booker outlines the steps ancient hebrews typically followed in making a covenant: ......they exchanged robes.......they exchanged belts.....cut the convenant.......raised the right hand..........mingled their blood.......exchanged names.....made a scar.....stated the convenant terms.........ate the memorial meal......and planted a tree.
the covenant partners raised their right arms, cut their palms and intermingled their blood, while swearing allegiance to each other.
blood represents life; the intermingling represent two lives becoming one.
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grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95
In this book, The Miriclle of the Scarlet Thread, Richard Booker outlines the steps ancient hebrews typically followed in making a covenant: ......they exchanged robes.......they exchanged belts.....cut the convenant.......raised the right hand..........mingled their blood.......exchanged names.....made a scar.....stated the convenant terms.........ate the memorial meal......and planted a tree
The covenant partners raised their right arms, cut their palms and intermingled their blood, while swearing allegiance to each other. Blood represents life; the intermingling represent two lives becoming one.
As covenant keepers we are adopted into the family of God (Rom 8:15)
THE BLOOD COVENANT- step 4 Raise the right arm and cut the palm of the hand and clasp each others and mingle your blood saying.............
please refer to: http://www.systemath.com/epistles/TheBloodCovenant.pdf
In Joshua 9, Gibeonites decieved Joshua and entered a covenant with him
Then the representative would be cut ; in some instances the palm of the hand would be cut and the two representatives would clasp hands intermingling their blood. And scripture confirms this in Isiah 49:16 "See I God have engraved you on the palm of my hands" Or in many cases, the wrists of the representative would be cut and the arms (a symbol of strength) would be raised to God as the blood ran down the arm, and the oath of efficacy would be taken. The wrists would then bebrought together. And scripture confirms this method in Isiah 62:8 "The Lord has sworn by His right hand and by his mighty arm" Here, then, is God taking oath by his Omnipotence
please refer to: http://www.realtime.net/~wdoud/covenants/covenants.html
In mutaul covenant both parties would then cut their own wrists, raise their hands into the air and clasp hands while pointing to heaven making God their witness to this agreement. The intermingling of blood signified the joining of a blood relationship.
please refer to: http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?ID=789
there are many references to ancient "hebrew blood covenants"
as far as my research tells me this included ancient hebrew marriage..........
can anyone tell me what jehovah's witnesses think about this ?
do they know about ancient hebrew covenant ceromonies ?
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the ancient prophets of old married mingling thier blood with their wives..
by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 induring my studies i became aware of the ancient custom hebrew marriage ........12 steps in all...... during the end of the marrige ceremony the husband and wife would cut thier hands and join them as a signification of becoming one in the eyes of jehovah...... thus mingling their blood with each others................................ i have 3 questions....... are jehovah winesses aware of this?.
would jehovah's witnesses regard this as blood transfusion?.
what would jehovah think about many of the ancient hebrew prophets of old becoming married in this way?.
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grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95
gathering information .................was taught about this about six months ago..... will dig through old reference meterial...... give me 12 hours ...............