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Prince turns his back on Raunchy Routines

by Dogpatch in

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hit maker prince turns his back on raunchy routines1 comment(s)september 29, 2008 09:33:58 gmt.

he told usa today, becoming a jehovah's witness advocate and reading the bible have contributed to his decision to ditch his raunchy past.. tom walck/pr photoswilling to get better with his growing age, prince has a change of heart that he decided to turn his back on his raunchy past.

the hit maker openly admitted he no longer wants to write songs with lusty lyrics and perform dirty dancing on-stage because he does not want to offend his fans, who as time goes by have grown up and had children.

Gopher

No Prince wasn't a JW during his childhood like the Jacksons (for example) were.

Here's a quote from the Wikipedia entry on Prince:

In 1997, Prince approached funk bassist Larry Graham, one of his childhood idols, with questions about his [Graham's] Jehovah's Witness faith. In a later interview, Graham stated that Prince was in need of Biblical answers and advice and that Graham was glad to answer. Prince apparently became very interested in the religion: around this time he began censoring some of his more provocative song lyrics in concerts, as well as editing various religious references in his songs that he had come to believe were Biblically inaccurate. [citation needed] He was baptized by Jehovah's Witnesses in 2001, marking his formal conversion to the faith. It was also at this time that he also released the album The Rainbow Children, which relied heavily upon Jehovah's Witness religious themes.

The insertion of Graham's was mine.

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Prince turns his back on Raunchy Routines

by Dogpatch in

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hit maker prince turns his back on raunchy routines1 comment(s)september 29, 2008 09:33:58 gmt.

he told usa today, becoming a jehovah's witness advocate and reading the bible have contributed to his decision to ditch his raunchy past.. tom walck/pr photoswilling to get better with his growing age, prince has a change of heart that he decided to turn his back on his raunchy past.

the hit maker openly admitted he no longer wants to write songs with lusty lyrics and perform dirty dancing on-stage because he does not want to offend his fans, who as time goes by have grown up and had children.

Gopher

Yes Fadeout he is baptized. The "JW advocate" phrase is meant to sound sophisticated (or something).

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What do the Watchtower say about Revelation 9:5?

by asilentone in

thanks!

i would like to see some quotes, thanks!

Gopher

Edited to say:

I see this was answered in another thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/166042/1.ashx

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Prince turns his back on Raunchy Routines

by Dogpatch in

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hit maker prince turns his back on raunchy routines1 comment(s)september 29, 2008 09:33:58 gmt.

he told usa today, becoming a jehovah's witness advocate and reading the bible have contributed to his decision to ditch his raunchy past.. tom walck/pr photoswilling to get better with his growing age, prince has a change of heart that he decided to turn his back on his raunchy past.

the hit maker openly admitted he no longer wants to write songs with lusty lyrics and perform dirty dancing on-stage because he does not want to offend his fans, who as time goes by have grown up and had children.

Gopher

Prince does whatever Prince wants to do. I even talked with Prince's JW mentor, Larry Graham, at a Watchtower convention in Minnesota, and that's what he said.

During the 2007 Super Bowl halftime show, prince played Purple Rain - and projected the below phallic-suggestive image onto the screen.

Like I said, the man does what he wants when he wants.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17013425/

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LIST OF CONVICTED RELIGIOUS LEADERS

by badboy in

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its on wikipaedia,i believe.

no wt leaders,though.

good resource for jws.

Gopher

Violent crimes

Shoko Asahara - Founder of Aum Shinrikyo sentenced to death by hanging under Japanese law for involvement in Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway. [1]
Matthew F. Hale - Former leader of Creativity Movement sentenced to a 40-year prison term for soliciting an undercover FBI informant to kill federal judge Joan Lefkow. [2]
Warren Jeffs - Once President of Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, convicted of rape as an accomplice. [3]
Luc Jouret - A founder of the Order of the Solar Temple. He was convicted of conspiring to buy illegal handguns. [4]
Jung Myung Seok - Founder of Providence. Convicted for raping several of his followers. [5]
William Kamm - Self styled Pope Peter II who was sentenced to prison in October 2005 for a string of sexual attacks on a 15-year-old girl. In August 2007 his sentence was increased after being found guilty for a series of sexual abuses against another teenage girl over a 5 year period. [6]
Ervil LeBaron - Led a small sect of Polygamous Mormon fundamentalists, and was convicted of involvement in the murder of 2 people and plotting to kill another person. [7]
Alice Lenshina - Head and founder of the Lumpa Church. Conflicts with the government over their rejection of taxes led to a violent confrontation and her subsequent imprisonment. [8]
Jeffrey Lundgren - Headed splinter group from Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, executed October 24, 2006, for multiple murders. [9]
Charles Manson - Leader of the Manson Family who is serving life for first degree murder. [10]
Shukri Mustafa - Leader of Takfir wal-Hijra who was captured and executed for the kidnap murder of an Egyptian ex-government minister. [11]
Fred Phelps - Leader of Westboro Baptist Church, convicted for disorderly conduct and battery. [12] [13]
Howard Douglas Porter - Pastor at Hickman Community Church, convicted of first-degree murder, embezzlement, elder abuse and attempted murder. [14]
Swami Premananda of Tiruchirapalli - Convicted and sentenced to double life imprisonment for rape of 13 girls and murder. [15]
Jacques Robidoux - Leader of defunct group The Body of Christ who is serving time for first degree murder after starving his son, apparently thinking it was God's will. [16]
Paul Schäfer - Former head of Colonia Dignidad, was convicted of sexually abusing 25 children. [17]
Roch Thériault - Former head of "Ant Hill Kids commune" serving a life sentence in Canada for the murder of Solange Boislard. [18]
Yahweh Ben Yahweh - Head of Nation of Yahweh, convicted for Federal racketeering charges and conspiracy involving 14 murders. [19]
Dwight York - Head of Nuwaubianism, convicted of multiple RICO, child molestation, and financial reporting charges and sentenced to 135 years in prison. [20]

Non-violent crimes

Tony Alamo - Headed a Santa Clarita commune. Convicted of tax evasion and until recently he resided in a halfway house in Texarkana. [21]
Jim Bakker - Created the PTL organization. Convicted of fraud and conspiracy charges after illegally soliciting millions of dollars from his followers. [22]
Hogen Fukunaga - Founder of Ho No Hana who was given a twelve year jail sentence for fraudulently gaining 150 million yen from his followers. [23]
Kent Hovind (Dr. Dino) - founder of the Creation Science Evangelism ministry. Willful failure to collect, account for, and pay over Federal income taxes, knowingly structuring transactions in Federally-insured financial institutions to evade the reporting requirements, and obstructing and impeding the administration of the internal revenue laws. [24] [25]
Mary Sue Hubbard - Headed Scientology's Guardian's Office. Convicted in 1979 of conspiracy against the United States Government. [26] (See Operation Snow White.)
Henry Lyons - Former President of National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.. Convicted for racketeering and grand theft. [27]
Sun Myung Moon - Leader of Unification Church, imprisoned for criminal tax fraud in the 1980s. [28]
Edward Morrissey of the Living Enrichment Center. He pled guilty of money laundering. [29]
Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh – later called Osho. Fined $400,000 and given a 10-year suspended sentence following a plea bargain agreement in which he made an Alford plea to (1) a charge of having concealed his intent to remain permanently in the U.S. at the time he applied for his visa extension and (2) a charge of having conspired to have followers stay illegally in the country by having them enter into sham marriages. [30]

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The sower can't be Jesus

by Bonnie_Clyde in

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14. who is this sower?

some in christendom believe that this refers to jesus himself.

but how could it be said that jesus sleeps and does not know how the seed grows?

Gopher

I think they take things out of context for a purpose. In this case, it's to emphasize their doctrine that all Christians are to be preachers (and somnambulent ones at that?). Of course, the Bible doesn't teach all Christians are to preach, but the WTS needs their rank-and-file to believe that it does, so as to make them more willing to slave for ~~Jehovah~~ the organization.

So if the sowers are "Kingdom proclaimers", that must mean the ~~witnessing~~ propaganda-spreading activity of the people calling themselves Jehovah's Witnesses was foretold by Jesus himself !!

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-28-08 WT Study (SUCCESS)

by blondie in

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*** km 3/06 p. 1 par.

(mark 4:26-29) let us now consider three more of jesus' illustrations-the mustard grain, the leaven, and the dragnet.

when the wts says "god's people" do they mean anyone other than jws?.

Gopher

Does this separating refer to the final judgment of the sheep and the goats that Jesus said would occur when he arrived in his glory? (Matt. 25:31-33) No. That final judgment will occur at Jesus' coming during the great tribulation.
This last line "at Jesus' coming during the great trib." this sounds oddly different than what has been said before.
If jesus was supposed to have already come and is here...then why does this sound like an expected future arrival if he's already here?
Have they always said that Jesus would "show up" during the great tribulation?
It was always my understanding that Jesus would come at the last day and that would be the day of Armageddon.
So aren't they subtly changing the story here?

No, this continues their story that Jesus has multiple "comings". His first one was supposedly in 29 CE as the Messiah, the second in 1914 CE as King, and the third at some "approaching" future date as Executioner. It's confusing because they teach there's been an invisible "presence" since his arrival at the second coming. And so when he "comes" again, he's already been present. (And you'd better not question them !!! ) Up until 1995 the JW's taught that the separation of sheep and goats was happening all throughout the last days, since about 1914. In 1995 they changed that teaching to push the separation off to the time of the great tribulation, to separate those about to be executed from those to be saved. (This was at about the same time they disconnected the year 1914 from the word "generation", and changed "generation" to a group of people instead of a time frame.)

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of the tenability of the Tower of Babel

by inkling in

ok, so when he subject of the absurdity of taking biblical.

history and science serious, oft targets include such gems.

as the account of creation, and a global flood.. it's quite easy to demonstrate just how massively misled all.

Gopher

Those who serve satan cannot understand the parables or the deeper meanings of the scriptures.

What about people who studied the scriptures for decades (like me) but now realize they're just a set of writings from a religious priesthood designed to control mankind? I studied for deeper meanings, and get them. I just don't accept them. Am I a servant of Satan?

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 09-28-08 WT Study (SUCCESS)

by blondie in

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*** km 3/06 p. 1 par.

(mark 4:26-29) let us now consider three more of jesus' illustrations-the mustard grain, the leaven, and the dragnet.

when the wts says "god's people" do they mean anyone other than jws?.

Gopher

Thanks Blondie for the between-the-lines reading and comments.

The writers use the word "success" in the title, but fail to clearly define it. They refer to "spiritual growth", and then later numerical growth.

Spiritual growth -- how does one measure that, exactly? How would anyone know whether success is being had?

Numeric growth -- if that was the definition of success, then the WTS would have to admit that many other religions including Islam are growing too, and in fact have a longer and bigger record of growth than the WTS.

So they cannot claim that numeric growth = success. So they resort to planting vague ideas about "success" into their members' subconscious minds.

And what about lands where the growth has slowed down to a crawl or a stop? I'd heard for years that "the harvest is practically complete" in the country where I live. What would "success" in preaching look like here? Why even continue preaching when there's little or no harvest left to be had in the English-speaking population of the USA?

Inquiring minds want to know, but the WTS won't answer. They'll just keep on printing articles like this that call for MORE MORE MORE slave labor on the part of their R&F.

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Do Not Be Ashamed

by Hortensia in

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do not be ashamed .

you will be walking some night .

in the comfortable dark of your yard .

Gopher

Though you have done nothing shameful,
they will want you to be ashamed.

This sounds a LOT like guilt-trip-imposing people who have tried to bend me to their will. I was far too yielding when I was a JW.

No more.

No grown person who's done nothing wrong needs to be lectured by another "grown" person who wants things done their way. We should always doubt the motivation of the lecturer who wants to take us on an unnecessary and harmful trip called "guilt".