Hi changeling,
Well the issue of if one thinks the woman did something wrong (or right) depends on if you believe Hell exists or not, right?
My suspicion is that the other poster mentioned also believes Hell exists.
There are quite a lot of other accounts of people who have experienced Hell and Heaven too.
Here is another nut case (or concerned person), depending on your beliefs. He experienced Hades (pre cursor to the Day Of Judgement and the Lake of Fire) and also Heaven.
http://www.aglimpseofeternity.org/
See what you think.
Regards,
Stephen
Posts by Chalam
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75I went to the doctor today and was told I'm going to hell!!!!!!!!!!
by changeling ini went to my gp today.
i go there quite often since he's also my parent's doctor and i bring them to all their appointments.. i take my dad there at least once a month for blood work since he is on blood thinners, so i'm very familiar with the lady who draws blood.. today i had to have blood drawn myself, and the lady inquired about my parents.
she asked if they had had a nice christmas.
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Own up time...
by Chalam inwell it looks like this site is a real melting pot, a broad spectrum of views and beliefs.
for sure there are many disaffected ex jws.
so in as few words as possible, preferably not more than one sentence, how would you describe yourself spiritually?
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Chalam
Hi All,
Well it looks like this site is a real melting pot, a broad spectrum of views and beliefs. For sure there are many disaffected ex JWs.
So in as few words as possible, preferably not more than one sentence, how would you describe yourself spiritually?
Atheist? Christian? Satanist? Buddhist? Jehovah's Witness?
Of course, this list of options is not exhaustive and for the sake of clarity I suggest we use capitals.
So I will start the ball rolling...
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I went to the doctor today and was told I'm going to hell!!!!!!!!!!
by changeling ini went to my gp today.
i go there quite often since he's also my parent's doctor and i bring them to all their appointments.. i take my dad there at least once a month for blood work since he is on blood thinners, so i'm very familiar with the lady who draws blood.. today i had to have blood drawn myself, and the lady inquired about my parents.
she asked if they had had a nice christmas.
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Chalam
Hi changeling,
I agree with hmike, if you don't believe in it then when is the problem?
Well, to save buying the book "23 minutes In Hell" , have a look at the author's site and listen to his story-there is audio and video links.
http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/BillWiese_23MinutesInHell_Text.htm
I am sure many will scoff but no wonder.
Luke 16
The Rich Man and Lazarus
19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[c] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
So many references in the Bible to this being a literal place yet JWs say it doesn't exist?!
Regards,
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Had an interesting dream the other night
by AlmostAtheist ina friend and i were trying to get somewhere fast, and i knew that it would be quicker if we ran through this church.
so we went through a secret entrance and found ourselves in the church.
she said, "wow, i've never broken into a church before.".
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Chalam
Hi Dave,
The shortcut thing is interesting. In some situations they might be cool but this one was surely a mistake and a waste of time as the dream testifies.
So work out where you were going and the correct route to get there :)
Let me know what develops. Happy dreaming!
Regards,
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Were You Ever Into Bible Prophecy?
by minimus ini wasn't.
i thought most of the stuff was ridiculous!.
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Chalam
Hi minimus,
I agree, prophets should be tested, to see if they come true and if they tie up with the Bible (God won't contradict Himself).
The WTS are quite clearly false prophets as their prophecies do not come true and do not tie up with the Bible.
They will have to give an account of their actions (as we all will) and unfortunately for many Matthew 7:22-23 will come to pass
"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name..."
"Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"
Regards,
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Most avoided Bible verse and biggest misconception of Christians????
by whyizit ina friend asked me today what i think is possibly the biggest misconception that jws have about christians in general and what bible verse did i think was avoided most by the wts and why.. besides the idea that all churches are after is your money: based on my friendship with a jw, i would say that the wts leads its followers to think your average church spends a huge amount of time and energy trying to discredit the wts.
she seems to think they have little printing rooms with employees, whose sole purpose is to print apostate materials about the wt and anonymously mail it off to jw family and friends.
that they spend a large amount of time in the pulpit warning everyone not to answer a jws knock and to slam the door on them once you know it is a jw.
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Hi,
I have found that the JWs have answers for all the 'difficult' verses which clearly do not tie up with their beliefs. The biggest problem is the NWT which has many pertinent verses relating to Jesus changed such as John 1:1, verses where Jesus was worshipped etc. No coincidence as the Bible says that He is the only way into the Kingdom Of God.
Other verses relating to the Holy Spirit such as Gen 1:2 and all the references in John which clearly state the Spirit is a person by use of the word 'he', 'him' and 'whom' and all changed in the NWT.
Also, the NWT is being revised as time progresses and gets worse each time.
Verses about the gifts of the Spirit and speaking in tongues much be puzzling to anyone who is half curious?
Having a read, the whole of John 14 must be pretty hard to understand for a JW?
Jesus the Way to the Father
5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
15"If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."
Regards,
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Were You Ever Into Bible Prophecy?
by minimus ini wasn't.
i thought most of the stuff was ridiculous!.
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Hi,
The interesting thing about prophecy is that it is for all believers in the New Testament (not just a select few).
Also that prophets are accountable and should be tested to see if their prophecies come true.
In the Old Testament false prophets were stoned. In the New Testament false prophets only loose credibility, not their lives :)
So prophecy becomes even more fascinating when it starts 'coming to pass' and is personal. Far better than the 'big' prophecies which may or may not come to pass in our lifetime.
Regards,
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at the memorial when do the annoited drink of the cup and eat of the bread?
by grewupJWnoselfesteem78-95 inwhen i was jw i never saw an annointed person.... i thought that to be annointed you had to be american....i remember i asked someone at km hall were do the annointed drink the wine and eat the bread ?
they siad it happens in a back room in private.... is this true?
i was only young maybe it was just a throw off answer...... i always felt that holding the wine and bread publicly for a few seconds and then passing it on was a direct public denial of yahushua's instruction.........
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Chalam
Hi,
Yes interesting how the JWs avoid following simple instructions.
1. 'Do this in remembrance of me'
But they don't. There are no conditions mentioned such as being "anointed" or such, it is evident that one has to be only a disciple of Jesus.
2. 'No one can see the Kingdom of God unless they are born again'.
But they aren't. Once again, no mention of this being for a select few or even just the 144 000 evangelists mentioned in Revelation as JWs state.
I am sure there are plenty of other things that the little black book used to 'interpret the scriptures' actually comes up with answers contrary to what the scripture plainly says.
Any takers?
Regards,
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I need your help responding to my old JW friends email
by student1 inhello guys, todya i recieved an email from an old friend of mine within the jdubs... he did the usual jdub thing get married really young and as such we lost touch.. he since found me on facebook and has been bugging me about my decision to leave, i talked to him a little but his mind is completely closed and irrational so i was having little success saving him from the cult and as sich i decided to end the call.. by saying "your happy and i'm happy so lets leave it be and aggree to differ" - however he wont let it rest this is his email: any help in responding would be most appreciated!!
ps... how ironic that he should mention george orwell when he lives within a cult that epitomizes the 1984 book!!
seeing as you never botherered ringing me back or texting i thort id email you.. .
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Chalam
Hi,
Maybe you might tell him that you if he doesn't leave you alone then you might make his feeling know to his Kingdom Hall?
"hello. seeing as you never botherered ringing me back or texting i thort id email you..
i hope you are well, i see you clothes are becoming less and less... so next time I click on your profile Il expect you just to be wearing a leaf??
which reminds me.. if you are no longer a witness that means you can show me your boobies!!! yippee!!! "
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Had an interesting dream the other night
by AlmostAtheist ina friend and i were trying to get somewhere fast, and i knew that it would be quicker if we ran through this church.
so we went through a secret entrance and found ourselves in the church.
she said, "wow, i've never broken into a church before.".
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Chalam
Hi Dave, Interesting post. I agree with your interpretation about the church being the JWs-all the clues are there. Interesting you had to use a secret entrance to get in. Looks like you introduced your friend to the JWs in the past? So the $64,000,000 question is where were you trying to get to in a hurry? Regards, Stephen