Posts by Gozz

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Allow me to introduce myself...

by MuzicmanCa in

i am a new face to this website, although i have poked around in it for some time.

i was born and raised as a witness starting in brooklyn, new york in 1973. i was disfellowshipped on my 26th birthday, november 20th, 1999. i am not one of those that feels bitter about it.

i know full well that the jw's have a code of morals and behavior that quite honestsly, i did not live up to.

Gozz

Great post Muzicman. Your comments are sure balanced. And you're not alone.

pabrooks, he didn't wait till he was DF to 'find fault'. The thoughts have been in the head for sometime, like it is for many of us. You don't have the nerve to say those things until you're out. You don't. Or you do it and hide. The conditioning, the system does not allow you. You feel like you're sinning against God, questioning divine authority, going against the grain. For me, the only bad thing that's happened is I got on the Net. Typed "Jehovah's Witnesses" and variations of that in a few search engines and then began to see things I never knew existed. Truth is there are many having those Muzicman thoughts within the Organization. They just don't trust anyone enough to say it out. And they don't know the next man is thinking their thoughts.

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God as editor/Jesus directing FDS

by stephenw20 in

last night, the opening of the mailbox revealed the may 15,2001 watchtower.

my initial instinct was to drop it in the garbage on the way to the house, but i would have had to walk around the house to do it and my hands were full.

i don't normally read them,but of late with all the "choice morsels" from the past coming out , i just wanted to flip through and see where they are heading now..........and see if any gems of gold existed inside.

Gozz

The Watchtower, June 1, 1965, p. 352

".... Jehovah’s organization must henceforth be guided and directed by Jehovah’s spirit through the visible governing body made up of those servants whom Jehovah himself would appoint.... Jehovah’s theocratically controlled organization under the immediate direction of Jehovah himself."

The Watchtower, June 15, 1957, p. 370

Let us now unmistakably identify Jehovah’s channel of communication for our day.... Yes, particularly since 1919 has it been true that he has appointed the collective body of the anointed remnant over all the visible interests of the Kingdom.... It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.

The November 1, 1956 Watchtower, page 666

Who controls the organization, who directs it? Who is at the head? A man? A group of men? A clergy class? A pope? A hierarchy? A council? No, none of these. How is that possible? In any organization is it not necessary that there be a directing head or policy- making part that controls or guides the organization? Yes. Is the living God, Jehovah, the Director of the theocratic Christian organization? Yes!

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COPYRIGHTS and the WTS publications

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

i was wondering about this part written in the.

w. 15.02.2001 page 29 (box) :.

...related to this, christian should avoid putting onto, or downloading.

Gozz

Looking at that box on Page 29 of the Feb 15 2001 WT issue, the words "program" or "programs" are used some six times before the last six lines where the connection is drawn with WT literature. The preceeding argument was for computer programs, while the conclusion centered on the Society's (copyrighted) material. It was as if the law applying to the program/s applied to the materials. As Simon's post as shown, this is entirely false.

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The Remnant Watchtower

by ozziepost in

this week's watchtower study article (feb 15 p23) should be re-named "the remnant manifesto"!.

a subliminal message centered on the use of the word "remnant" runs right through the article.. para 5: "a faithful remnant in ancient judah were to benefit.".

para 6: "so jehovah prospered the faithful remnant...".

Gozz

Still on this WT article.

Page 26, parag 13 line 4 says
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"History shows that Jehovah began gathering to true worship a faithful remnant of anointed ones having the heavenly hope."
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This sentence seems to be an incomplete thought. It would seem that it is no more the bible that shows but history. History! When that began was not stated. Quite untypical. Is 1935 going away? How history (secular?, scriptural?) does show that we do not know.

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Indisputable/physical facts

by Norm in

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in the bizarre world that exist within the watchtower society headquarters in brooklyn you can find all kinds of strange statements.

particularly funny is the use of the expressions indisputable/physical facts.

according to the watchtower from 1922, indisputable facts showed that jesus second presence began in 1874!

Gozz

Good post, Norm.

Larc, other ones are "apparently", "clearly", "likely", and "very likely". They all prepare the ground for speculation that is presented as fact.

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Praise Jehovah For His Great Deeds! May 15 2001 WT

by ISP in

praise jehovah for his great deeds!

may 15 2001 wt.

page 12. thousands thronging to true worship (sub-heading).

Gozz

Ooops!

May be this'll work http://www.jwic.com/stat.htm

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Praise Jehovah For His Great Deeds! May 15 2001 WT

by ISP in

praise jehovah for his great deeds!

may 15 2001 wt.

page 12. thousands thronging to true worship (sub-heading).

Gozz

Simon posted the link somewhere. Here is it again:

*www.jwic.com/stat.htm

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".They also learned to quit fixing ...

by MacHislopp in

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do you believe that someone learns from past...experience?.

there was a measure of disappointment on the part of jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1914, 1918, & 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time.... and they also learned to quit fixing dates.

(vindication i, 1938, p 338).

Gozz

'Twas also predicted that the preaching work will end within the last century., That was another end-of-the-world prediction that didn't see the light of day; and it was only over a year ago.

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1975 New Info

by AlanF in

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it means that within relatively few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end.".

the lead article "the finest work on earth" in the october 1967 km (p. 1) continued the theme of preaching with a sense of urgency:.

the sense of urgency was effective in getting some students to make a decision.

Gozz

Many JWs either don't know about 1975 of are just plain dishonest. When I asked about '75 from older JWs, they would deny it and say it was some overzealous brothers who jumped ahead. That was before I got on the Net. It was all a lie. We preached 1975. I didn't, but we did teach it as bright light, thanks to the GB. Now when Jehovah refused to conform it went back to Ordinary JWs. Brothers in my KH would point to CO's and other speakers who were sacrificed on the altar of 1975 as proof that the Society never taught it. And they won't use the CD-ROM! They are truly sheep, ruled by fear.

Where's that Sydney Losstarot quote?

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1975 New Info

by AlanF in

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friends

it means that within relatively few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end.".

the lead article "the finest work on earth" in the october 1967 km (p. 1) continued the theme of preaching with a sense of urgency:.

the sense of urgency was effective in getting some students to make a decision.

Gozz

Hide our proud heads in the rubble of Armageddon postponed! :(