for example: we had a 'faithfull' brother getting older and confused.
when something did not really went as he liked it (didn't get the answer etc) he shouted very loudly 'god doom me in the hell!
one time i had to do the closing prayer on the midweek meeting.
There was this elder giving a talk about Compassion.
Somewhere in between the talk, the "com" part got off, and he repeated, for the remaining 25 or so minutes "passion":
".... we must show passion for the sisters ..."
"... we must have passion for one another..."
the chariman's head remained bowed till the end of the talk; the guys and gals had a good laugh.
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it can't possibly be that no one posted this news on the forum yet, can it?
i can't find a thread.
here's the story.
144001,
your main point is clear as crystal, and was a very harrowing point for me as I discussed this issue with others. It wouldn't matter that a million judges agreed on the same point, and the law, in this case, does appear unfair to me too. It's important to note that no one blames Mr. Schiavo for moving on with his life, but it is curious that he also retained the right to make the most important decision for the woman: the law considered her dead long before the tube was removed; the family was deprived of their wish to take care of her no matter what. That is curious. Many people, if not most, disagree. But it is curious.
And, just so you know:
I made the mistake of reading your first post ont his thread while drinking coffee... of course, some of it ended on my table... very funny
i am reading studies in the scriptures (1911) thy kingdom come..on page 145 ct russell describes what is wrong with religions of his day and their sunday schools & bible studies, ie people belong to earthly religions or organisations.
was he describing other sects of his day, or did he forsee what his bible students would eventually become?
methods hinder real growth in knowledge of truth...guarded, pointed questions, with prepared answers and no time left for the bible hungry student...bible study, skilfully directed, so that he may get no new ideas...brief sessions [one hour] more agreeable than bible study...they are led to feel they have performed a duty, and a sacrifice.
There's about nothing as effective as old Russell articles in silencing, and more important: opening the minds of old JWs to the rot that's come to their beloved organization.
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when i read some of the posts i cant help wondering that things do not go always the same everywhere.
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Interesting topic.
I've been in a few congregations in very different countries and 've seen great differences. In congregations in mid- to Northern Norway, for instance, you'll most likely not be disfellowshipped for fornication so far you show some form of repentance; this may be true for the south too, even if you're a second or third offender. Many of the elders I know are a bit laid-back too: 'inactives' are usually dealt with kindly, provided they don't cause serious problems. When I last visited Africa, it was a huge surprise: stupidly zealous elders eager to disfellowship for any sort of human failing; tough rules; miss a meeting and you get a crowd at your place wondering if your world's ended... I think the WTS has a strong grip on the africa faithful, and it's most probably because they're yet to see the light of the Internet.
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i amlooking for advice.
before getting married, my wife was slim and took care of herself.
after the wedding however, she started to eat much more and not exercise.
Are you fit yourself? If you are, good. Talk to the wife; start working out with her; go for walks in the evenings; never underestimate the effectiveness of these little walks. Do you guys go out? Leave the car at home if you drive one; walk. Does she work very far from the home? Is it safe to walk or bike? Do you have time on weekends to just get out? Of course, you've to be sensitive; weight, hmn, is a sensitive issue. If the way she looks is beginning to affect your relationship, it's about time something gets done about it. And you don't have to feel guilty for the way you see her now; just let her know by kinds acts that you care how she looks, and support her in getting rid of the excess flesh; with some luck, it won't be something you can't both overcome. Goodluck.
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next week, due to his recently learned so called knowledge of psychiatry and medication??
and bashing of those that use it?.
orbi
I'll see the DVD edition, borrow it from the library whenever that'll be. The idiot keeps shooting the wind about things he knows nothing about. And yeah. it's allright to see actors for their work; just note how we get really selective when the matter isn't touching you. Roman Polanski, too, is good at what he does.
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would you go?
would you hire a lawyer?
play cat & mouse games?
Jeff,
nice plan. Only that when some elders get hold of the letter, they'd know you've read Ray Franz's book, or consider it proof enough: you're a confirmed apostate, haha. :)
Nice plan. I care about many people on the inside too; those who'll be obliged to shun me as an article of their faith; they can't yet see, but I'll not burn any bridges myself; I won't even give the elders any help in burning my bridges; I'll make it difficult for them. One thing, I don't want to get disfellowshipped; but they'll probably disfellowship me soon, for a reason I wouldn't mind being disfellowshipped for; that day comes quickly. If the elders called, I'll do what's always worked: "... brothers, thank you for your love and attention, I am studying still, and continue to seek Jehovah for guidance, please continue to pray for me as I appear spritually weak also at this time..." that, plus some Theocratese... one of the elders will invite for field service the next Saturday when he remembers I'd not been out in Service for over 4 years; I'll say to check my schedule and get back; I never do. He'll invite for the meeting, I'll mumble sth about trying to come, and then not make it. With some luck, they'll be too guilty to pursue the matter until next year.
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jws pride themselves in being the "most honest people on earth".
could you refute that claim??
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-ithinkisee:
JWs tout their Natural Disaster recover efforts. Yet what they fail to tell you is that they STRONGLY insist the entire insurance claim (from hurricanes for instance) be donated to the Society. THE WHOLE THING.
Is this documented or peculiar to the congregation/area you got it from? Sounds new to me...
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here's the letter i wrote to the body of elders i served with for decades, when they invited me to a judicial committee meeting two months ago.
i have not heard a word from them since i wrote this.
i posted this monday night (may 30, 2005) to celebrate my 500th post, but it ended up in the "heated debates" section, when i intended it to go in this area.
Oh dear!
They've never prolly got so much help... Brilliant letter, with that touch of the personal... brilliant, down-to-earth.
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1. has it occured to you that nowhere in the old testament is the holy spirit mentioned.
it did not exist.
do you not find it strange that when joseph was told it was the holy spirit that made mary pregnant, he did not ask "who the f--- is the holy spirit?
Or will kids be taught the deceit of one Jesus, who owned a house (Mark 2:5) but told his followers to sell their possessions and give it to the poor? Matt, 19:21
SJG,
from which translation of Mark 2:5 did you read this bit?
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