Posts by Gozz

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UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

by MacHislopp in

following the link given by kent,.

i have several observation to make:.

(from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

Christendom's Denial of God

by Kent in

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christendom's denial of god .

the most shocking denial of god's authority comes from christendom's clergy, who have substituted manmade traditions for pure bible truths.

(compare matthew 15:9.

Thanks Kent. Thanks. The material highlights one of the Society's most profound acts of hypocrisy and hubris. The Society seems to periodically suffer from bouts of selective amnesia, especially when a point has to be made, and to cover up their sloppy research and incosistent opinions, they lie on God, saying it's what's coming from Jehovah. If Jehovah's Witnesses begin to view Watchtower published material for what they are - the opinion of some men collected from various views suiting their purpose - then they would pay more attention and 'test the inspired expressions'.

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YOU THINK LIKE A JW !!!

by Prisca in

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the above phrase has been bandied about in the past and present, often as a form of insult when the poster disagrees with something another poster has said.. but what exactly do they mean?.

how do you think like a jw?

is there a certain code of synapses that distinguish a jw from a non-jw?.

Gozz

Prisca,

a lot of good points have been made. Let me add my voice.

One sees it all the time, that JW thinking. It's quite simple: thinking has been surrendered to the Governing Body. There's the unwillingness to do original thinking where the GB has offered an opinion, like it is with the majority of JWs. They live in a state of suspended thinking in the religious sphere. And the problem is they don't know it. You can go on and on with one with this mindset and you'll never get anywhere. The thought of the GB speaking for God is too strong; it's the premise. How can Jehovah be wrong?

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Never Hire A Jehovah's Witness!

by Kent in

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if you are an employer, never hire a jehovah's witness.

the reason for this is simple: that mistake may cost you a lot of money!

you can bot expect a jehovah's witness to do what they are told to do, but you can expect them to do the oposite!

Gozz

JanH,

may be the problem you present is peculiar to Norway, and some other countries with laws such as are relevant to the points being discussed. In that case, a little accuracy will be appropriate. I'm talking about the kind of accuracy that exists in the essays you, AlanF and others have on the Internet. The general point of my post is that when what is factual is presented devoid of ambiguity and sensantionalism, there's the greater possibility for reaching out to lovers of truth. And that has been the way until quite recently.

Now, you talk of an 'increase in risk' with respect to hiring a JW. That is okay; okay because you are aware of the risk with respect to the JW situation. But what about other religions? Take a look at the religions around you and say if you would be willing to subject adherrents of those religions to the same acidic scrutiny. The way you present the case, the JW at your workplace is misbehaving probably not because he is a JW, but because of the person he is, which may not be the doing of the Tower, and even if that is, it remains a personal flaw; he may not be representative of JWs in general. I fear for stereotyping, which is the direction some of the discussions are moving towards. It's somewhat obliquely related to what has been said to be the thinking pattern of those who have attempted to exterminate races simply for the question of race. It leaves a sad memory to demonize Jehovah's Witnesses. There are hardworking JWs out there who'll give their hearts to their employers. Why stir up general hatred because of a number of cases? Why?

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The GB

by Liquidizer in

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as usual, they always want to emphasise their role as a only chosen representative of god like moses, eliah or john or whatever.

of course if they'd be like moses, their words should be taken seriously, but are they in that position?

the very history of the society illustrates it's just the opposite.

Gozz

GodRules,

if God really rules then why is the Governing Body attempting to usurp His position? The history of the Governing Body has shown that they cannot be God's Channel. That singular claim is a blasphemy to the name of God. Take another look at the history of the Governing BOdy of Jehovah's Witnesses, and you'll see whose channel it is.

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Never Hire A Jehovah's Witness!

by Kent in

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if you are an employer, never hire a jehovah's witness.

the reason for this is simple: that mistake may cost you a lot of money!

you can bot expect a jehovah's witness to do what they are told to do, but you can expect them to do the oposite!

Gozz

Kent,
I refer to your comments per my post.

You're definitely going over the edge with this campaign against Jehovah's Witnesses. What makes you think all JWs will do the things you allege? You break the rules of reasoning in this war. You've begun fighting for a cause I perceive to be different than helping people to reason. Just listen to yourself... The situation is simple. It is untrue that all Jehovah's Witnesses will obey Brooklyn. It's not true...Never Marry a JW; Never Hire a JW; Never... Never... Were you to apply the same standard to all religions what would remain of the world? It's easy to find teachings in several religions that are somewhat equivalent to the weaknesses of the Witnesses. Your campaign has degenerated to a dehumanizing of Witnesses. And I know all decent peple fing that repulsive.

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Thank You Ray Franz.

by Martini in

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hello friends,.

in a thread over at witnesses.net entitled "society bracing for law suits" fellow jw's are taking swipes at ray franz.

not too long ago, while i was still under the wt spell i also would have similarily spoken abusively of ray.

Gozz

Ray Franz is an apostate. He is, according to the definition of the Watchtower. But the bible defines an apostate differently.

By demonizing Ray, the Governing Body achieved the aim of distancing rank and file Jehovah's Witnesses from him and others who may have dissenting views. Ray was the personification of the inquisition-style purging that took place about two decades ago; but more lies form the Tower are needed to cover the tracks of that dishonesty. Younger generation JWs are reading Ray's books and shedding tears. For a JW who reads the book, or parts of it, life will never be the same again. Funny how much one can learn about the truth from an apostate. A week of days with the book by Ray is worth more than a week of years in the Tower.

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WTBTS Innocent in Swaggart Case?

by troubled in

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awhile back, i saw information on another web site about the wtbts's involvement with the swaggart case.

the information was presented in a way that depicted the wtbts as involved with the swaggart case and, therefore, false religion.. at first, i was shocked.

however, i did some research on what an amicus curie is.

Gozz

Seeker,
it is fine with your sense of justice to see nothing wrong with the Society availing themselves of the court system by filing a brief in the Swaggart case, but the action does not meet up with the sense of justice the Society would have us believe they posses. Most loyal JWs when presented with the case will wonder why such a step had to be taken. If it's not getting into bed with Swaggart then what is it?

MadApostate,
your point about misrepresentations rising to the level of lies is taken, but do you consider the Swaggart case action to be in accordance with what the Society would have us believe about being separate from the world? The Society employed deceitful tactic, not with respect to legalism but with respect to what they teach, and that includes submitting that brief.

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Never Hire A Jehovah's Witness!

by Kent in

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if you are an employer, never hire a jehovah's witness.

the reason for this is simple: that mistake may cost you a lot of money!

you can bot expect a jehovah's witness to do what they are told to do, but you can expect them to do the oposite!

Gozz

Musky,

while you are right in being balanced in your views, I think drahcir yarrum is right in insisting that the onus is on Jehovah's Witnesses to go the extra mile in verifying what may be required in the course of doing a job they apply for. He is because it is the individual JW who will seek to be exempted from certain activities. But with jobs being a bit difficult to find, silence becomes golden. For instance, a JW seeking a job when asked about his religion may answer -'Christianity'. He is right. But is that honest? The answer is 'No'. Honesty demands that he says more if he would insist on certain 'rights'.

Sam Beli, you destroy your fine argument with your last lines. You might have been right if you said many JWs have the attitude you describe. But you speak with respect to countries where the government issues cheques to the unemployed; you however forget that many, many, JWs are in the Third World Countries where such does not exist, and where individual Witnesses have to toil like other honest citizens to make a living.

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Never Hire A Jehovah's Witness!

by Kent in

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if you are an employer, never hire a jehovah's witness.

the reason for this is simple: that mistake may cost you a lot of money!

you can bot expect a jehovah's witness to do what they are told to do, but you can expect them to do the oposite!

Gozz

Kent,

to write to not hire a Jehovah's Witness is discrimination beyond that expected by reasonable humans. You lump all Jehovah's Witnesses together, and that is not fair. Alan's post throws some light on the situation. It would have been dishonest for the JW not to have disclosed that she would not do part of what would be her duties. It would have been the right thing for her to do, being in full understanding of the peculiarities of her own religious beliefs; but to make sweeping generalisations and admonish that such be the basis of employment is going too far. Jehovah's Witnesses are humans, having all rights like the others, and even if their beliefs and practices in furtherance of those beliefs are unreasonable by the perspective of others, it is still a debt to hold them in some esteem, and give them a benefit of the doubt.