i find him very confusing and difficult to figure out sometimes.
evidently, peter did also.
anyways, i find him a bit harsh and unloving in the way he deals with the congregations and i was shocked how he rebuked with peter.
Cog, the not eating meat sacrificed to idols was simply to avoid stumbling the JEws who were repelled by this- to maintain peace in a divided cong. The meat itself was not at issue.
Yeah, I know. That's what I meant by not just taking what he says at face value. You are just better at explaining things then me, lol. :)
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Wow, that's so wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have given a renewed hope for the rest of us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i find him very confusing and difficult to figure out sometimes.
evidently, peter did also.
anyways, i find him a bit harsh and unloving in the way he deals with the congregations and i was shocked how he rebuked with peter.
It seems to me that the scriptures show us that we shouldn't take what Paul said at face value but rather weigh in what the other scriptures say first. For example, he said to one cong not to eat things sacrificed to idols. So, one would think we shouldn't do that. Then, he said to another cong that they could eat things sacrificed to idols as long as it didn't stumble anybody.
Isaac - What are your thoughts regarding what I said about fornicators above?
Also, does anybody know how Mark "countered" some of Paul's teachings?
i find him very confusing and difficult to figure out sometimes.
evidently, peter did also.
anyways, i find him a bit harsh and unloving in the way he deals with the congregations and i was shocked how he rebuked with peter.
Thank-you for the clarification Isaac!
( I agree that Mark was probably first) to "counter" some of Paul's teachings.)
On what basis do you say this? Do you havr any examples?
i find him very confusing and difficult to figure out sometimes.
evidently, peter did also.
anyways, i find him a bit harsh and unloving in the way he deals with the congregations and i was shocked how he rebuked with peter.
WT is in many cases taking the side of those who were against Paul (the very teachings Paul is repeating in his trying to refute).
Do you have an example of that? PS. I read your pm and replied!
snowbird - Thanks for sharing!
i find him very confusing and difficult to figure out sometimes.
evidently, peter did also.
anyways, i find him a bit harsh and unloving in the way he deals with the congregations and i was shocked how he rebuked with peter.
I agree with that Isaac. However, if somebody is an extortioner, or sleeping with a married person, it totally makes sense. However, I don't really understand judging a fornicator like that. The law was written for our benefit, not us for the benefit of the law to begin with. So, if we are no longer under the Mosiac law, why should we be worried is a person is fornicating? Isn't that up to them if they want to fornicate if they are not hurting anybody?
Also, at what point would you say to not eat with a greedy person?
Couldn't he have just left it up to people to use there own mind and conscience of when not to eat with somebody instead of telling us? I mean, if people are doing something like extortion, why would we want to have dinner with them anyways? Why does he have to tell us that? Why not show how Jesus treated people who were sinning and let them use there own conscience?
Why couldn't he have shown people from the scripture how we are to love one another and what that man was doing to his fathers wife was both not loving or honoring his father. Therefore, we should no longer accept a person of that sort as a brother due to the outragious harm that he caused until he has repented?
He just seems to have created a lot of divisions and a lot of leeway for people to be harsh with one another...
i find him very confusing and difficult to figure out sometimes.
evidently, peter did also.
anyways, i find him a bit harsh and unloving in the way he deals with the congregations and i was shocked how he rebuked with peter.
I can't believe I got AGuest and Angel Eyes mixed up Isaac...
i find him very confusing and difficult to figure out sometimes.
evidently, peter did also.
anyways, i find him a bit harsh and unloving in the way he deals with the congregations and i was shocked how he rebuked with peter.
JWoods - If you look at the first few verses of each chapter of some of the books of the bible, it shows more then just Paul were involved in the writing. I think in the first few verses of Thess. it shows 3 people involved in the writing. That is probably what accounts for the different writing styles...
I'm not sure if I understand your question about Revelation. Are you asking if John wrote it?
i find him very confusing and difficult to figure out sometimes.
evidently, peter did also.
anyways, i find him a bit harsh and unloving in the way he deals with the congregations and i was shocked how he rebuked with peter.
Jwoods - Even the apostle Paul said not to judge the heart and to only judge the act. When a person has repented from the wrong act he should be let right back into the cong. JWs wait to let the person back in when they feel the persons heart has changed. They have no right to do that. Also, even Paul said to not be to harsh in what he says. The BORG fails to take that into account...
i find him very confusing and difficult to figure out sometimes.
evidently, peter did also.
anyways, i find him a bit harsh and unloving in the way he deals with the congregations and i was shocked how he rebuked with peter.
jwoods - The massive amount of info the BORG ignores from the bible is shocking. They take what Paul said and they fail to weigh in the love and type of forgiveness Jesus showed...
