ray franz requested that i post the following comments written by him:
as has been stated already, the presentation made from the silent lambs source in connection with the child abuse issue completely misrepresents my position.
when i spoke by phone recently with the author of that presentation, and pointed out that i had never expressed the views presented, his comment was that from his previous conversation with me (held some months earlier) he "got the impression that i was not on the same wave length" with him.
Overload his mailbox with letters with 30 letters?
How do you know there will be 30 letters? There could be only one letter. An open invitation was made to those who wish to use this communication method.
Commentary Press
PO Box 43532
Atlanta GA 30336-0532
Edited by - beelzeDub on 24 October 2002 16:56:5
Edited by - beelzeDub on 24 October 2002 16:57:23
i talked at length with ray franz this afternoon regarding the following comments by bill bowen: ray franz supports the wt policy on child abuse.
he is the author of the two eye witness rule as well as the slander issue that prevents anyone from warning another of child abuse in the congregation.
it is interesting that wt is willing to fight to the last man standing for a policy that in large part was founded by their biggest apostate.
I agree with most of the comments posted here. I have been a suporter of SL in the past both with contribution and mostly by telling others about the web-site. This can be one of the biggest ways to offer support. If I tell 3 people and they tell 3 people and so on.. and so on... my 3 references grows to a great number in the long run.
It can be stated that the JW religion has valid goals and ideals.
- bring people into a relationship with god
- A world wide brother hood
- A solid hope for the future
These are all good ideals, however when people who question or do not agree with the WT leaders 100% are vilified as evil, slandered, lied about,..... how is this any different than the SL movement if it's leader acts the same way as the GB of Jehovahs witnesses?
I would like to see BB step up to the plate and do the right thing here. If Bill does care about the cause and victims then I am sure he will do the right thing and show some humility. If it does not happen then I see BB as no different than the GB of Jehovah's witnesses and only cares more about his image than he does for the movement and victims and I will no longer give support to his orginization.
could you please take a few minutes to answer the following questions:.
1. your age.
2. how long were you a witness.
1. your age 41
2. how long were you a Witness 22 years
3. how long have you been out of the religion. 1 year
4. which of the following symptoms did you experience as a witness.
4a. depression some/mild
4b. low self esteem YES
4c. anxiety YES
4d. psychosis NO
5. Today, which of those symptoms do you have? All much less than before, no longer take depression meds or anxiety meds.
6. Today, how would you rate your overall degree of happiness 1. much less happy than as a JW 2. somewhat less happy 3. just as happy 4. somewhat more happy 5. much more happy. 4
whatever happened to mayor mccheese?
isn't anyone worried about our giant hamburger headed friend??
he just vanished?
He left in the mayor mobile...
whatever happened to mayor mccheese?
isn't anyone worried about our giant hamburger headed friend??
he just vanished?
jesus was not born on december 25. that is not his birthday.
why is this day observed as jesus's birthday?
because some christians thought it was fine to mingle christianity with paganism.
Jesus did not return in 1914. That is not the date of his return. Why is this day observed as Jesus's return by Jehovah's Witnesses? Because a false prophet predicted that the end of the world would come in that year and when that did not happen the then president of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society moved Jesus return date from 1874 to 1914 to cover up the false prophecies. The bible says that light has nothing to do with darkness. think about these facts if you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses and promote Jesus return in 1914.
the nameless one
Edited by - beelzeDub on 11 October 2002 9:57:9
has anyone else tried salvia?
i recently tried this herb, which is a member of the sage family, via smoking it.
i must say that it is a psychedellic not for the faint of heart or one who fears the loss of control for several minutes at a time.
I done tried all that stuff and I no longer need it. comfy now washed in blood of the lamb and got clear mind because of it.
Now we all know what our fate is if you keep doing drugs. We will get out of touch with reality like Comfy. lol
first off, let me express that bill bowen would not know me from any stranger on the street.
i have never spoken with him, or have i ever corresponded with him.
the only information that i have of him is what i have read of him on this forum and on silentlambs.org.
I have been on the fence myself as to the whole God issue. No longer. The last two posters on this thread have convinced me there is NO god.
Aguest: WHICH 'god'... for there are many...
So god did not answer a child being raped because he called out to the wrong god? If there is a god, and a child calls out for help, would he be so cruel? If so, your god is one sick bastard.
Revmalk: you're spreading the hurt to those of us that don't deserve it or need it.
Blame shift, because you can't explain why your god would do such a thing. What's wrong is the truth bringing down your spiritual buzz?
BeelzeDub, of the no longer a believer class!
service committee .
25 columbia heights
brooklyn, ny 11201 .
Who is M.V. and M.W.
Why can't their names be told? What is the issue with keeping the names a secret?
Edited by - beelzeDub on 4 October 2002 16:10:23
