Hi Released,
If I were there with you I would ask Raymond Franz what he thought John 17:17 meant, "Sanctify them by your truth. Your word is truth." NKJV
Have a great visit!
Sabrina
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Questions to ask Ray Franz?
by Released insunday the 17th iwill be meeting him for the fist time.
i would like some feedback as to any questions you all may have(i have a bunch of my own) of which i will post next sunday night.
please keep them as short as possible so i,m not carrying a whole book when i go.
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JOHN - The Lazy Apostle ?
by Lampokey infrom the gospel according to john , 21:25 new world translation :.
"there are , in fact , many other things which jesus also did , which , if ever they were written in full detail , i suppose , the world itself could not contain the scrolls written.".
well , john , here you are , charged with the responsibility to relate the life and times of jesus , and you do not tell us what these "many other things" are.. why not ?
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Narkissos,
I supposed He wanted to have the libraries of Qumran and Nag Hammadi discovered in the 20th century too...
Of course.
Sabrina
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JOHN - The Lazy Apostle ?
by Lampokey infrom the gospel according to john , 21:25 new world translation :.
"there are , in fact , many other things which jesus also did , which , if ever they were written in full detail , i suppose , the world itself could not contain the scrolls written.".
well , john , here you are , charged with the responsibility to relate the life and times of jesus , and you do not tell us what these "many other things" are.. why not ?
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Greenpalmtreestillmine
Papias' work had to go its way. If it had not it would have muddled the message of John's Gospel and the others. What was meant to be collected together and caused to be accepted as the four is what should have been. It's not a vast collection of sayings and works that was necessary but rather a collection of the necessary, that which was indispensible towards the producing of something good and in John's case something eternally good.
Sabrina
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JOHN - The Lazy Apostle ?
by Lampokey infrom the gospel according to john , 21:25 new world translation :.
"there are , in fact , many other things which jesus also did , which , if ever they were written in full detail , i suppose , the world itself could not contain the scrolls written.".
well , john , here you are , charged with the responsibility to relate the life and times of jesus , and you do not tell us what these "many other things" are.. why not ?
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Leolaia,
I agree, Greentreestillmine....as I said before, there are two places in the Bible that touched me so deeply I cried when I read them afresh....one was the story of Joseph and his brothers in Genesis, the other was the gospel of John. Two powerful stories of love and reconciliation and triumph over tragedy.
I feel the same, Leolaia.
Sabrina
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JOHN - The Lazy Apostle ?
by Lampokey infrom the gospel according to john , 21:25 new world translation :.
"there are , in fact , many other things which jesus also did , which , if ever they were written in full detail , i suppose , the world itself could not contain the scrolls written.".
well , john , here you are , charged with the responsibility to relate the life and times of jesus , and you do not tell us what these "many other things" are.. why not ?
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For me, as a Christian, the beauty of the Gospel of John is the primary feature to be considered. It is a jewel, no matter where its physical origins. Similar to the American Constiution and the Declaration of Independence, documents which were not in themselves invented in a vacuum. John Locke and many others sowed the seeds and roots for the American form of government but it was the Founding Fathers of the U.S. that put it all together and made it work for the land in which they lived.
So too the Gospel of John. It is a formulation of excellence whether or not the roots of that excellence originated with its supposed writer or not. It is the meaning and beauty of the teachings contained in that Gospel that have power and worth. The Gospel of John is the personification of freedom and love no matter who is responsible for its writing. This I feel is the material point.
Sabrina
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To those that believe in a god; Please help me believe
by AlmostAtheist inhey gang,.
this isn't a debate-for-debate's sake thread.
i enter with an informed but open mind.
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SixofNine,
Yes AlmostAtheist, god forbid (lol!) you go thru life unburdened by the insane dichotomies of these poor believers! ;-)
Sabrina
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To those that believe in a god; Please help me believe
by AlmostAtheist inhey gang,.
this isn't a debate-for-debate's sake thread.
i enter with an informed but open mind.
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AlmostAtheist,
In August of this year you will have reached your first year anniversary here. If by then you are still, AlmostAtheist then I think you should find out why you are still an Almost.
Perhaps your mind says one thing and your heart another? Well, my love to you and my deepest wish that you should find the answer to your quest. AlmostAtheist.
Sabrina
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JOHN - The Lazy Apostle ?
by Lampokey infrom the gospel according to john , 21:25 new world translation :.
"there are , in fact , many other things which jesus also did , which , if ever they were written in full detail , i suppose , the world itself could not contain the scrolls written.".
well , john , here you are , charged with the responsibility to relate the life and times of jesus , and you do not tell us what these "many other things" are.. why not ?
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Gumby,
Here is a book that is held as gods own words for mankind.....
I don't believe the Bible is a perfect word for word account of history. That's not reasonable but it is what fundamentalists and the like teach. They do that in order to raise up their own authority.
They have made the bar so high, the bar of direct word for word inspiration, for their own purposes. It's like a strict father who requires that his daughter be a pure untouched woman until she marries. Then he sets the bar: she must remain a virgin, she must not touch even the hand of any boy, she must not look at boys and she must not even think of boys. If she should do any of these things then her father says she is a whore. Well, of course the poor thing will end up being called a whore by her father because she can't possibly live up to his impossible standards.
In my opinion, the Bible has been falsely made to look like that young woman by Christian fundamentalists. They say she is pure and no defect at all is in her and as a result she is the divine word of God in every respect. Then when, after believeing them, we do find flaws and we find contradictions we automatically assume she is a whore. But that's only because we are requiring the Bible to jump the hoops the fundamentalists set as the bar of her purity. But the Bible does not have to be perfect to be considered divinely guided. She only has to be true to her God and to his spirit. This she is.
Sabrina
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Have Fun Applying Scriptures To The Witnesses/Organization
by minimus ini was thinking of how the watchtower always seems to be using a scripture and somehow applying it to themselves.
let's take some bible verses or passages and have a little fun with making our own interpetation........example# 1.....matthew 25: 13, "keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour"......"keep on the watch" refers to our continuous reading of the watchtower magazines and watchtower publications.
"you know neither the day or the hour" but the "faithful and discreet slave has insight into such matters and that is why we must always be on the alert and listen to them!.........example # 2.....mt.
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Matthew 23:23-28 in honor of the Watchtower:
Woe to you, Service Dept. & Writing Dept. Elders, hypocrites!
Because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was binding to do, yet not to disregard the other things. Blind Bethel Elders, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!
Woe to you, Congregation Elders, hypocrites!
Because you cleanse the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of plunder and immoderateness. Blind Elders, cleanse first the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside of it also may become clean.
Woe to you, Governing Body, hypocrites!
Because you resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men's bones and of every sort of uncleanness. In that way you also, outwardly indeed, appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
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Memorial Partakers - how many from 1935 are still alive?
by eyeslice inactuaries .
there has been a lot of debate about the number of memorial partakers staying around the 8,500 mark for years now, up by 5 this year, compared with the 11,000 or so that partook in 1935 when the heavenly calling was closed.. .
personally, i do not have the actuary skills to be able to work out how many who partook in 1935 are likely to still be alive to day.. .
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The 1935 cut off for anointed and/or the requirement that GB members only be of that class are teachings the Watchtower will soon have to tweak. If they are to keep their Governing Body's superior spiritual position, as Christ's brothers, they must continue to reap from the not so loved post 1935 class as they have for the last 5 GB memebers. But if there are not enough "mature" and approved males in that class then they are forced to either return to the Anointed President days or allow the lowly other sheep class entry into the holy of holies, the Governing Body.
Either way, more changes to their already poorly structured theology will only result in more publishers leaving.
Sabrina