Posts by greven

the greeks also lively debated this question.. of course, as dubs (and in fact, in most christian faiths) we were taught that man was born inherently evil, and the quest is to overcome that and work towards the good.

greven

Farkel, I think I understand now:

The question you asked was: is mankind born evil or good? which suggests we can choose as an answer good or evil. And for this we do need to define good and evil.

However, I think your real question is: Are humans born with a blank moral state or with one that is at least partly predetermined (be it by genes or sin)? In other words, the nature vs nurture debate. Good and evil need not be defined in this case.

This caused alot of confusion and my reason for pressing you to define "good". These two questions are very different. But I understand now, am I correct?

Your last post was pretty good BTW

Greven

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Your Personal Pet Project

by Phantom Stranger in

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so...as fast company magazine used to ask - what are you working on?.

i have a screenplay i work on occasionally (a romantic comedy) and a nonfiction book about the area in which i grew up.. i also have a wedding in a year, and we are looking for a house to buy.. so what are y'all working on?.

and how can we support you?

greven

Several things:

1) writing several articles on religion/bible/reason/wtbs/logic etc

2) creating a mega-index. On my computer I have scores of articles/quotes/random thoughts on a zillion topics stored. I like to index them logically so I can find them when I need them (see number 1).

3) Writing a book (several ideas)

4) free my parents from the borg (it's working!) and DA

5) creating a rift in the space-time continuum

Greven

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Poll - What kind of Ancient People are YOU???

by LittleToe in

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are you: a minority group called "jew" a majority group called "greek" a minority group called "christian"

to believe in christ, the jews asked for a powerful sign, before they would believe.. to believe in christ, the greeks appealed to logic and wisdom, before they would believe.. to believe in christ, the christians simply believed, and treated it as a personal calling.. which category do you believe you fall into 1, 2 or 3?.

.. 1cor.1:22-25 - the message.

greven

I would be on the Greek's position

Greven

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Yet another example of how silly the Bible is...

by Abaddon in

okay, let's go along with the flood story for a moment, to the point where noah exits the ark.. here we have noah, with two of each animal and seven of the clean animals; maybe a few dozen animals that were not essential to the future survival of the species.. what does god do?.

tells noah he can eat animals now.. are you telling me an all-wise, all-knowing god isn't capable of better planning than that?

which strikes you as more likely?

greven

Funny thing is that this also provides us with a testable claim!

Such a dramatic bottleneck in the genetic diversity could be measured today as we know mutation rates. And guess what? The genetic diversity is huge! No way there was such a decline in genetic diversity just a few thousands of years ago.

Greven

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Is Mankind Born Evil....or Good?

by Farkel in

many ancients including confucious and lao tzu took opposing views about this subject and their arguments are fascinating to read.

their arguments are nearly 2,500 years old.

the greeks also lively debated this question.. of course, as dubs (and in fact, in most christian faiths) we were taught that man was born inherently evil, and the quest is to overcome that and work towards the good.

greven

Onacruse, I agree (see my previous post)!

The question cannot be answered unless we have an objective definition of "good". Farkel already provided the definition of "evil" which he defined as 'not good', a negative. Fair enough. We don't know what that is however until we define "good".

I was ignored too btw :o((( sniff sniff sob sob.... LOL

Greven

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research article on Jehovah's Witnesses

by Stephen Cox in

dear friends,.

this is to announce a long research article that i have published in the latest (sept-oct) issue of "liberty" magazine.

("liberty" is a libertarian intellectual journal and is available at barnes and noble, borders, etc., or from po box 1181, port townsend wa 98368. its price is $5.

greven

Please someone scan and post this material!

As far as I know 'liberty' is not available in The Netherlands... :o(((((

Greven