Posts by jookbeard

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Can the jw organization be reformed?

by wannaexit in

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i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.

there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.

i don't feel like that anymore.

jookbeard

"we dont care what people think of us"

yes sadly the case , no change there then

I guarantee you if you was to conduct a survey in one of the most poulated places on the planet and interview a million people and ask every single one of them what " are the main details of the Kingdom of God that we as Jehovahs Witnessess are preaching?" that 99.999999% of all people will answer " the only real things I know about JW's are a) they dont take blood transfusions, b) dont celebrate Christmas and c) bang on my door trying to flog me unintersting magazines! A great world wide campain !

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Can the jw organization be reformed?

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.

there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.

i don't feel like that anymore.

jookbeard

I remember the hype when the Soviet Union broke up and the WT was legalized and some of the figures being banded about the there could be maybe close to a million publishers in Russia alone how many was there 60,000? they way I see the coming years as has always been the case in my lifetime that the WTS will fall so behind in peoples consciousness because of the ridiculous rise in the worlds population that they will hold very little relevance to people in gerneral, thats why Bugbears figures should be looked at with interest, thanks Eden I'd forgot that its almost 7000 hours to convert 1 single person to baptism! bit of mental athrimatic tells me that a 10 hour a month publisher would take 60 years to complete the task?

"with Jeehovah anything is possible!" didnt help your own brothers in Malawi very much did he in the 70's yet helped your brothers in Mexico to steal forged national service exemption certificates while the poor Malawi brothers were tortured/raped/murdered, certainly anything is possible with Jeehovah

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Can the jw organization be reformed?

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.

there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.

i don't feel like that anymore.

jookbeard

how many JW's in 1 billion plus China? how many JW's in 1 billion plus India 30 thousand? how many JW's in the 2 billion plus Islamic nations? a handful? whats the earth population? 7 billion plus? WT membership 7 million? impressive!

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The reason behind why the ex-JW community can never match Jehovah's Witnesses' success.

by Stand for Pure Worship in

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an average of five kingdom halls being constructed daily, almost 8 million brothers and sisters, dissemination of bible literature in 595 languages, 111,795 congregations worldwide, distribution of 179 million bibles available in 116 languages, 239 countries where jehovah's witnesses have a presence, etc.. need i go on?.

on the other hand........... crisis of conscience, freeminds, the awaa, jw.net, ummmmmm........hmmm........idk six screens or something?

not exactly working out for you guys.

jookbeard

what wonderous unity, just think JW's world wide can study the Washtower in over 200 odd lands within the same week, surely sign of Gods spirit!

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Can the jw organization be reformed?

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.

there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.

i don't feel like that anymore.

jookbeard

Emeth, how many hours does it take for a R&F JW publisher to bring a cold call to baptism? isnt it a 1000 odd hours? as Bugbear says time will probably destroy them, is growth in tin pot 4th World skint African countries any great progress?

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Can the jw organization be reformed?

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.

there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.

i don't feel like that anymore.

jookbeard

they may have reformed their coperate structure to a very modern style but that makes very little difference to the destructive doctrine and policies in regards to their dreadful child abuse policies, unbeleivable hypocrasy and double standards in regards the constant condemnation of the so called "churches of christendom" in which they unknowingly are a paid up member of. All the while they have this egotisticle, arrogant, power hungry Papal like adusive rule from their despicable Governing Body I see no reforming, if anything I see a tightening up of their destructive policies.

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Should I go to the special assembly day tomorrow?

by Mellow in

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so i haven't been to a meeting for about two months now, but the program for tomorrow's special assembly day here in the uk looks like it could be a good opportunity for me to gather some info.

take a recording device and get some much needed ammunition to use to try and get my parents to stop going.. it looks like the program is going to be very "you need to trust the organisation" based.

i don't want to go, but like i said it could be a good opportunity.

jookbeard

oh no!

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Celebrate my first post of many :)

by Mellow in

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hi everyone, my name is mellow (some names have been changed) lol.

as no doubt many of you were, i was born in.

i am now in my mid 20s living in a jehovah's witness household.

jookbeard

welcome Mr Mellow

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Should I go to the special assembly day tomorrow?

by Mellow in

jw
friends

so i haven't been to a meeting for about two months now, but the program for tomorrow's special assembly day here in the uk looks like it could be a good opportunity for me to gather some info.

take a recording device and get some much needed ammunition to use to try and get my parents to stop going.. it looks like the program is going to be very "you need to trust the organisation" based.

i don't want to go, but like i said it could be a good opportunity.

jookbeard

can you get me a new Bible Mellow? I'm a Brit

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

jookbeard

excellent anti witness CG, I'm not a christian but you made their presentation fall flat on its feet, typical JW's they bare face lie one minute and deny it the next, great point about them being false teachers also.