local elder called tonite, with a witness on the phone to ask if it is true we were smoking ?
we said yes, and we know who told on us.
it was a ms who was at the club just last week with another woman, not his wife of course, while she was at the meeting.
Congratulations on taking a stand and defying a cult that holds people you care about hostage. That takes courage. The thing I enjoyed most and felt most immediately after I da'd myself, was choosing my own friends for their qualities, not for their religious beliefs. I wish you both all the best. I sincerely hope your loved ones still have enough personal integrity and independance of thought to stay close to you. Some of mine have, some haven't. As I said, best wishes.
Grunt
joe anderson thought you'd like to know what caused him to be invited to attend a judicial hearing held in his honor.
fyi, joe sent a copy of his resignation letter to two governing body members, dan sydlik and jack barr, men who joe and barbara were quite friendly with.
he thought that since so much time had passed since barbara's appeal letter was given to the local elders and nothing was happening to bill bowen or barbara, that maybe these gb members were holding things up because of receiving his letter and giving more thought to the whole issue.
The Anderson's have all my respect and my sympathy. I am glad that they are free from this cult, though I hate the cost. I hope the son that was mentioned remains close to them.
As for the cult, their behavior in no way surprises me. I mean they twist everything and really have no love for anyone except themselves and the idol they have created in Brooklyn and now bow to. They deny Christ as mediator and warp and pervert his role as the loving sacrifice, the Lamb, into that of black masked executioner, the Greater Jehu, the Avenger. Wow. Read this small sample and then tell me they can't twist sunshine into darkness.
WT 95
"JEHOVAH'S Avenger of blood, Jesus Christ, is about to strike. With his angelic forces, this Avenger will soon take action against all who are unrepentantly bloodguilty. Yes, Jesus will serve as God's Executioner during the rapidly approaching "great tribulation." (Matthew 24:21, 22; Isaiah 26:21) Mankind will then be brought face-to-face with their bloodguilt."
Can you feel the LOVE???
They should have printed their own laughter into the last sentence. Fortunately, we really do reap what we sow and they have quite a harvest coming don't you think?
Grunt
my views on mr. laden: i dont agree on what he plan out'on 9/11, i still love him tho, we all are brothers & sisters, we all are living under one roof = god the father, earth... i respect him as a human, what he plan out was wrong, but i'm not mad at him, cause satan is the main cause for violence, there bin laden is not my enemy, satan is... also i just wanna say: that i looooooove bin laden clothes, for real, the muslims, and all the other people in the other country's, there dress style is coooool.. with their long beards, and long robes, they remind of the prophets, and all the old time people, moses, noah, jesus, peter, job, etc.... very cool......edited by - legendary u.2.k.
on 17 july 2002 6:52:30.
Just another peice of shit cult leader promising paradise to get others to do his dirt. Like the others he is a hypocrite and a liar, pushes suicide, claims to want to be a martyr and then runs like a rabbit. If I were him I couldn't look in a mirror, what a wasted life. It would really have been better if people like him and Big Daddy Amin had never been born as all they brought anyone, especially those who support him, is grief and death. I think Big Daddy is living in comfort in Morocco or France, after all the deaths he caused and the destruction he formented in his undeveloped African nation. I guess they came out better than Afghanistan where you better not step off the paths they call roads unless you want to lose a foot. I have to say I would love to hear his own followers had cut his ears off and made him eat them, in the British pirate tradition, just before giving him a grenade to suck.
Grunt
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based on what i've read of your experiences and even heartbreak on this forum, it's obvious that you have more than your share of jw hard-liners in your disparate corners of the world.
please believe me when i say that i intend no criticism whatsoever; but i've often wondered how it is that so many of your compatriots can sell themselves over so utterly to an upstart (125 year-old) apocalyptic american religion as we have done here?
First you send us your religious fanatics, overcoming the narrowmindedness of the Puritans has been a job as you put them in here so early in our development, then you send us your criminals, then you buy up our corporations (I buy BP gas and eat BurgerKings) while complaining that we use too much gas and sell too many hamburgers. After sending us the Presbyterians (that ring any Russelite bells?) and influencing old Taze through the Adventists (and was a Brit named Storey involved?) shipping us the fundies you complain when it spreads BACK? Wow. As for simplistic, much as I love Shaws description of the leader of the Salvation Army (General Booth led boldly with his big, bass drum) and its alliteration I wouldn't call it a complicated religon exactly. You burn Washington, sell smallpox infected blankets to turn the indians against us, try to raise rebellions with Tecumseh and then support the Confederacy in its effort to divide the country (thanks by the way, my Great Grandad was a rebel)and now, despite my having to watch Austrailian actors portray Americans fighting the British, you have the nerve to complain when some of the problems flow back up the pipe. Just the Puritans was enough. They remind me of the Witnesses in a lot of their attitudes.
I forgive you for the sake of the Stones and all the other music you sold me. Also, shallow as he was, I liked James Bond. Besides, if you hadn't mistreated the Irish so badly, I wouldn't be here! I'm told that watching the few GOOD potatoes shipped to England is what forced a lot of my ancestors to leave for the wilds.
Grunt
1000 were asked to leave brooklyn bethel (actually, this includes the farm and patterson) "voluntarily!
" only 6 replied to the request in the last 3 weeks.
it looks like the "waters" of bethel are drying up, or rather, their revenues are drying up!
If this is true, then it is great news. Their jobs led to the propagation of lies that destroyed futures, dreams and families all over the world. I was happy when I heard there would be no more subscritions, not only because it freed a lot of stay at homes from the twisted directions of the Society but also because to me it signaled a shrinking of their influence.
I do feel sorry for individuals who have thrown their lives away on it or any other cult and who will now have to support themselves without being prepared for it. I feel much, much sorrier for those who have lost their financial security on the stock market or for that matter, for family members these cult members have probably shunned over the years. I hope they have to turn to them for help now.
I will throw a party on the day the Bethel Buildings are sold for apartments or some other honest endeavor.
Grunt
hi simon,.
i just wanted to say "thanks" again for this site and all the work you put into it.
i take my wife to her presbyterian church every once in a while but i don't attend a church regularly and this site kind of fills that need i think.
Hi Simon,
I just wanted to say "thanks" again for this site and all the work you put into it. I take my wife to her Presbyterian church every once in a while but I don't attend a church regularly and this site kind of fills that need I think. Anyway, what you do is appreciated greatly. I won't be able to post for about a month (going camping with my baby) and I will miss this place!
Grunt
what do you like to do for fun?
lyineyes, and i love to dance at our favorite night club.
oh by the way, i want to know what kind of entertainment you enjoy with your jeans up.
Great thread. I love to grill for friends and relatives, baby back ribs, makes me hungry to think about it! I have an old diesel Suburban that I pull my camper and jet ski with, jet ski hooked to the camper. We hit a lake, Lake Martin is my favorite (north of Montgomery, AL. so clean, so pretty, so big!) also like to eat out, ride the Blue Ridge Parkway, life is good. Jet skis have taken the place of motorcycles in my life and I do love mine. My wife, me and our little West Highland Terrier, Bilbo Baggins, Bo for short cruising rivers and lakes and taking it all in like a bird in flight. I am taking off tomorrow for an extended camping trip. I will hoist a large glass of ice tea while gnawing a bar-b-qued rib and give you all a DixieLand Salute.
from tonight's school.. the instruction speaker started to discuss john 3:16 and said that the world that god loved was those who came out of the world, i.e.
the witnesses.
he indicated that this was brought out at last year's district assembly?
My personal favorite:
1 Tim. 2:5-6
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all..
This means Jesus Christ is NOT the mediator for all men.
one of my sons is a really gung-ho jw.
here's a response i sent to my son after he sent me an e-mail about the recent publicity over dateline.
it couldn't get me df'd could it, if he turns it over.
Hi Patio,
You are in grave danger of losing your son. I wrote a letter far less blunt and open than yours and got a business letter in reply saying my daughter had decided to shun me. She had been "sharing" my letters with her elders and they said it was a conscience call but that I seemed to be trying to destroy her faith. She had brought up the discussion with me and said how glad she was that we could be "Honest" with one another, ha, I wonder if the elders had prompted her to say that? Had I known I would have addressed my letter differently and used the plural when talking to her. Anyway, don't underestimate how irrational a Jehovah's Witness can be. My big faith destroyer was asking her what the current Witness view on naming the animals and the 7000 year creative days is. Three years now it has been this summer. It was good timing for her though, a different relative had given them a car so she could return the keys to one she had been borrowing for a year with the note saying she was shunning me. Not face to face mind you, under the door when she knew we were out of state. Ah Jehovah's Witnesses, sterling people. Bold and fearless with not at homes. Sick bastards. They took a nice, loving little girl and twisted her heart with a smug promise of eternal life. The cruel irony of what she got for what she gave up would be funny if it weren't so sad. Had to give up Christ as mediator, had to accept being a second class Christian if a Christian at all, had to give up friends, family, a career and kids. All to peddle lies for a cult. Reading WatchTowers must kill braincells, she used to be smarter than that.
am i wrong or is there a trend to make the wt to a normal religion?
first they gave up to predict who the new king of the north is.
then they stopped predicting the end of the world.
Until "Normal" means shunning kids and parents on command, letting babies die for lack of blood, protecting pedophiles and other criminals and shunning those who go public about them, not voting, reading all your "questions" and "answers" from the bottom of the page and calling that a "discussion" well, you get the picture. Normal. A Jehovah's Witness doesn't know the meaning of normal. With the Tower as their standard, ignorance in that regard is only to be expected.
