Posts by sacolton

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Jehovah's Witnesses: What covenant are you under?

by koolaid-man in

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ask a witness this question and wait for the answer...... in most cases they will tell you they will return with an answer.. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120105141524aarmwqj.

open questionshow me anotherjehovah's witnesses: what covenant are you under?there was the old testament, where the book of the law was by moses and dedicated by the sprinkling of blood.

(hebrews 9:18:21) and the new testament by the blood of christ under the new covenant.

sacolton

They are obviously more hardline Old Testament followers and give lip-service to the New Testament.

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

sacolton

I once told my JW B.I.L. "Jesus loves you" and he laughed. JWs do not pray to Jesus, but THROUGH him. It's not a relationship, it just making their angel-Micheal/Jesus a messenger. A real relationship with Jesus is how Steven, before he was put to death, prayed DIRECTLY to Jesus saying, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."

It's a huge difference.

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I am now officially an Ex-JW!!!!

by Momma-Tossed-Me in

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i am now officially by being announced at congregation level that i am no longer one of jehovahs wihtnesses.

that news spread like wild fire and i was dropped by all jw's on facebook, which shows the level of control the borg has in this area.

what is interesting is there was no juducial committee.

sacolton

Awesome news! Congratulations!

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dress code for kingdom hall

by frigginconfused in

could a man with long hair and a scruffy face make it up to elder status?.

ive seen some a list actors with long hair and beards at award shows.

they looked sexy, mature, and profesional.. think a guy like that could make it?.

sacolton

Didn't they have a illustration of Jesus being clean shaven?

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Can you be a JW in good standing and NOT go door to door?

by Terry in

the 2nd president of the watchtower bible and tract society, j.f.rutherford was criticised by some elders in the (then) independant congregations for urging members to go door to door while neglecting to do so himself.

rutherford responded:.

frequently some elder says: the president of the society does not go from house to house selling books.

sacolton

I always got my two hours in per month. LOL!

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CO visit. New light

by 2tone in

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if you want to skip to the new light or understanding, its underlined for you pleasure.

i think some will find this interesting.

we had the co tonight.

sacolton

This doesn't surprise me. They have been removing Jesus more and more from their literature and giving more credence to the Governing Body. Now it seems the Governing Body decides on who gains eternal life and stealing the spotlight from Jehovah and Jesus.

Dangerous game they play.

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

sacolton

The Watchtower organization says that Jesus did not rise from the dead in the same body he died in (You Can Live Forever on Paradise Earth, p. 143-44). Instead, it says that He rose as a spirit creature and that the material body of Jesus was taken away by God the Father. Therefore, they deny the physical resurrection of Christ. Is this important? Most definitely!

1 Cor. 15:14 says, "If Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain." In other words, if Jesus did not rise from the dead, then Christianity is a waste of time and we are then still dead in our sins. It is obvious that the doctrine of the resurrection of Jesus is a vital and essential element of Christianity. But what of the Jehovah's Witnesses? Are they accurate in their assessment of Jesus' resurrection in denying the bodily resurrection but affirming a "spiritual" resurrection? The answer is a definite, "No."

It is obvious from Jesus' own words in John 2:19-21 that He would raise Himself from the dead:

"Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 The Jews therefore said, "It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?" 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body."

John 2:19-21 is a clear prophecy of Christ. Note that He said He would raise up "this temple." John the apostle clarifies for us that "this temple" was actually Jesus physical body. Therefore, Jesus' physical body was raised from the dead. Very simple. However, the Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe Jesus' own words here.

In order to help you see the error of the Watchtower position and aid you in refuting their arguments, I've compiled the following list of arguments used by the Jehovah's Witnesses to support their position.

1. They use 1 Pet. 3:18 where it says that Christ was "put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit" as an attempt to show that Jesus was not raised physically, but as a kind of spirit creature.
Their use of the scripture to support their position is incorrect because this verse does not say that He was raised a spirit creature. It says that He was "made alive in the spirit." What does that mean? Quite simply, it means that Jesus was raised in an imperishable body. This is what 1 Cor. 15:35-45 says when it refers to the body as being sown perishable, but raised imperishable; sown in dishonor and raised in glory; sown a natural body and raised a spiritual body, etc. Jesus was the "Last Adam", a life giving spirit. Paul is typifying the resurrection body. In this passage Paul is talking about the resurrection of all people. All Christians will be raised in physical bodies. It is said the same of Jesus.

2. The Bible says that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God ( 1 Cor. 15:44-50 ). Therefore, Jesus' physical body could not be raised lest it contradict this verse.
What the Jehovah's Witnesses miss is that after His resurrection Jesus said, "Touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have" ( Luke 24:39 ). You must note that Jesus did not say, "flesh and blood." He said, "flesh and bones." This is because Jesus' blood was shed on the cross. The life is in the blood and it is the blood that cleanses from sin: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul" ( Lev. 17:11 ). See also, Gen. 9:4 ; Deut. 12:23 ; and John 6:53-54 . Jesus was pointing out that He was different. He had a body, but not a body of flesh and blood. It was flesh and bones.

3. The Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus manifested different physical forms in order to convince the disciples that He had been raised.
This is faulty for several reasons. First, it would mean that Jesus was tricking His disciples into believing that His body had been raised when it hadn't. Second, it disregards the clear teaching of Jesus Himself who said His very body would be raised. He said in John 2:19-21 , "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 Then the Jews said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?" 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body." Jesus said that His body would be raised. The Jehovah's Witnesses clearly deny Jesus' very words. Fourth, 1 Tim. 2:5 says, "For there is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus." Jesus is said to be a man -- in present tense language. If He was not raised physically, then how could he be a man? He could not be.

4. Jesus manifested different bodies after the resurrection, the same way the angels took human form in the Old Testament in order to show the disciples that He had been raised.
Again, this contradicts what Jesus said in John 2:19-21 that He would raise Himself from the dead. . . physically. Also, Jesus is not an angel contrary to what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe. Jesus was God in flesh ( John 8:58 ; John 1:1 , 14 ; Col. 2:9 ; Phil. 2:5-8 ).

The Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus did not rise from the dead in the same body He died in. This is a dangerous doctrine that contradicts the Bible and condemns those who believe it to eternal destruction because it is denying His physical resurrection which is the proof that He conquered death. The Jehovah's Witnesses need to keep Jesus' own words in mind when He said, "Destroy this temple and in three days, I will raise it up" ( John 2:19 ). Since He was speaking of His body says John in verse 21, then it must be true; Jesus rose from the dead in the same body He died in. Also, at His ascension people watched Him rise to be with the Father. They saw His body ascend. That is why it can be said that Jesus, the man, is the mediator between God and man ( 1 Tim. 2:5 ). It isn't an angel or a spirit creature that is the mediator. It is Jesus the man.

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Baptism Questions??

by lepermessiah in

this forum tends to get me thinking about things from the past and then roll my eyes.. i was recalling a particular pharasee in the congregation who used to love showing everyone how "smart" he was.. when i would go over the questions with someone, we would fly through them because it was usually with kids who were raised as jw's and could answer then in their sleep.

(besides the fact it was an "open book" quiz.).

well, mr pharasee used to always make it into a marathon session and take 2-3 hours to go over one section of the questions with someone.. he could take a simple question like "what is god's name?

sacolton

... but when they publicly announce that "(name) is no longer a Jehovah's Witness." - that in itself makes it clear you AREN'T.

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Baptism Questions??

by lepermessiah in

this forum tends to get me thinking about things from the past and then roll my eyes.. i was recalling a particular pharasee in the congregation who used to love showing everyone how "smart" he was.. when i would go over the questions with someone, we would fly through them because it was usually with kids who were raised as jw's and could answer then in their sleep.

(besides the fact it was an "open book" quiz.).

well, mr pharasee used to always make it into a marathon session and take 2-3 hours to go over one section of the questions with someone.. he could take a simple question like "what is god's name?

sacolton

Wow! Old topic! I posted on this THREE YEARS AGO ...

Since we are on the topic, when you are disassociated - your baptism should be voided since at the time you take your oath, you are recognized as a Jehovah's Witness. When you are disassocated, you are publicly announced to be "not a Jehovah's Witness" - thus, making your baptism vow void and null.

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So my JW wife cheated on me. Need some help or at least a sympathetic ear.

by JonathanH in

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i have neither friends nor family to turn to.

the result of being born in a cult.

but i need to talk about this.

sacolton

True. Her wearing the lacy "sexy" bra for HIM was premeditated. If this was just a friendly kiss/hug that was unexpected, that's a whole different thing. She knew damn well what she wanted/expecting. It won't be easy for her to just "walk away" from the excitement of this fling. She will have to be 110% committed in saving the marriage. The other guy might not give her up so easily either.

Another thing, she had her tongue in his mouth. Obviously, she didn't consider the risk of herpies or any other transmitted disease that could have been passed on to you.