Posts by Praying4Justice

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"Pioneer " Witnesses to me in McDonald's Parking Lot / I Reverse Witness!

by flipper in

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so early this morning i had been working all night .

just got done eating mickeyd's in my truck , getting ready to take a nap before driving , and this jw young lady in her early 20's knocks on my closed window !

i put the window down and while forcibly handing the watchtower to me just says, " here is the watchtower !

Praying4Justice

Good for you, Flipper!!

I'm sure since you caught her off guard and she wasn't expecting you to know, be familiar with, or even talk about any such information regarding the Watchtower, and because you delivered these facts in a nice, concerning way, she listened more intently. That glazed look seems to take over when they catch themselves doing what they're told not to do. . ."listen" to any outside information. She may have told her friend in the car everything you said, or maybe just part of it depending on her friend's reaction. She might have even made up a story to her friend to throw her off and that way she can ponder over what you said without her friend being suspicious that she may believe you. We won't know.

When I brought up the child abuse issue with my daughter, I said to her that I hope that the Watchtower is not "still" talking bad about the Roman Catholic Church and any other religions regarding this issue now that they've been found guilty of the same thing. When I said that, she looked at me with a concerned look and she was "listening" to me for a little while before I could tell she was starting to get a bit restless and fidgety because she didn't want to hear anymore. She started to feel uncomfortable when I mentioned that at least a representative from the Catholic Church admitted the crime took place and publicly apologized while the Watchtower denies, makes excuses, and still tries to hide this information from their members. Thanks for the reminder about NBC Nightly News and Dateline programs. I'll have to bring that up too one day on the off chance she might get access to a computer and check it out.

All we can do is continue to reveal the facts every chance we get.

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need advice on internet radio braodcasting and call-in - HELP

by Dogpatch in

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greetings gang!.

today is st. patrick's day (i'm irish) and a new project has begun in apostate land.. gary busselman and i are going to start a radio talk show on the internet.. we need your help.. i know nothing of the technology of doing this.. i have a lot of experience on regular radio interviews and talk shows.. as far as i know i am the only "called on" cult expert los angeles, so the news services are familiar with me.. here's what i have in mind and what i need from someone out there.. first the name of the show.. we are thinking the buss and watt show: "what we meant to say.".

(watt was my nickname in the pressroom at bethel, given to me by thomas cabeen).. it will be hosted at www.armageddonokies.com .. i choose a subject to discuss, for 45-60 imn.. we have callers.. no doctrinal issues discussed whatsoever.. the theme is social behavior with a humorous bent.. don't need ideas for what talk about or who to have on or what to say, but.... i need advice on the technology of creating a talk show on internet using existing services or whatever would be best.. i already have an audience.. i would sincerely welcome your comments,.

Praying4Justice

Randy & Gary,

It's great to see such determination and motivation in keeping awareness going and reaching out in helping people deal with this issue.

Good Luck, and I'll be checking in to see if there's anything I can do, and also to get any ideas of what I can do to enlighten people at my end of the world.

Reading your posts alone, gives me hope.

Thanks~

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Elders in their 20's?

by Princess Daisy Boo in

my little sister called me just now.

exciting news - stop the presses - her husband has been made an elder.

she is 27 and he is 26... is that not a little young to be an elder?

Praying4Justice

Thanks SirNose for your quick response. So, their rule is no one-on-one. . .in the Kingdom Halls anyway. I know for sure that one of the elders (whose cousin is my daughter's best friend) talked with her on her cell phone at different times. During a family emergency, he kept in touch with my daughter and when I found out that she was talking to him on the phone (at night), I told her how inappropriate that was for him to be talking to her. I told her that he should be putting his wife on the phone to talk to her. That it should be woman to woman, and he never did that until he heard me tell her that while they were on the phone. Then, all of a sudden, he told her that she should be talking to his wife, and not him. This guy is sly and I don't trust him at all, but he plays like he's such a nice guy. Typical.

My daughter got involved with the JWs because of her friend in school. None of our family is, or ever was, a Jehovah's Witness. So, I pray everyday that my daughter will see or hear something that won't sit right with her and will open her eyes. I tell her all the time, that all she has to do is walk away (from a group of mere humans, not God) and that she's so very lucky because her entire family loves her unconditionally and we are all here for her and always will be no matter what she does. She never has to fear any shunning from her family. . .only from her so-called spiritual family. I know that when that day comes and she's had enough, it's still going to be hard for her when she'll have to endure that heartbreaking shunning experience from her "friends".

So the longer she continues to stay a Jehovah's Witness, I will be right here and continue constant contact with her. She is a loving, good-hearted person and the older and more mature she gets, I know the day will come when she will witness some kind of harsh, unloving behavior from one of them that she won't be able to ignore, and then will start to question. I pray for that day. . .everyday.

Just a few more questions before I go. When girls reach 18 and older, do they start to push the subject of marriage? Will the elders get together to meet with these young women and start prying into their personal life with questions and/or even start to arrange meetings with JW men? And if the women show no interest in getting married, do the elders make them feel (pressure) them to think otherwise?

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Elders in their 20's?

by Princess Daisy Boo in

my little sister called me just now.

exciting news - stop the presses - her husband has been made an elder.

she is 27 and he is 26... is that not a little young to be an elder?

Praying4Justice

Please tell me what the roles are exactly for these elders, young or otherwise, when it comes to counseling. Do elders ever counsel one-on-one with women or does there always have to be at least 2 elders present? Does each congregation have periodic counseling sessions with the members for the sole purpose of seeing if anyone will confess any sins? I cringe with the thought that my daughter might get called in for a special counseling session just for the purpose of trying to get personal information from her. They know what I think about them because I personally went to the Kingdom Hall to talk with the elders to let them know I'm on to them and that I will never give up on my daughter. I know when my daughter spends time with her family (who are not JWs), they don't like it and I'm sure that they ask her questions when she gets back.

Someone, please tell me how the counseling sessions are conducted.

Thanks.

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What Does Being an Adult Mean for Young Women?

by Praying4Justice in

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my daughter was 18 when the jehovah's witnesses encouraged (and pressured) her to move out of her home because i would not allow her to go to any more book studies.

they went to work and found an apartment for her to move to.

she now lives with this older bitter and mean jehovah's witness woman.

Praying4Justice

My daughter was 18 when the Jehovah's Witnesses encouraged (and pressured) her to move out of her home because I would not allow her to go to any more book studies. They went to work and found an apartment for her to move to. She now lives with this older bitter and mean Jehovah's Witness woman. Not my idea of a better situation for her.

They kept telling her she's 18 and an adult and can do what she wants and move out of her home, but yet she cannot be alone with a boy. I know the rule is that girls should not date until they are ready to get married. Even if they are ready to get married, they have to date with a chaperone so they are never alone. At what age are they ever allowed to be alone with a man? What if a young woman is 20, 21, 30, etc.? When are they considered to be adults and can use their own discretion when alone with a man? When the elders have meetings with young girls/women, are any other women present? Is it ever a one-on-one meeting with an elder? Are they required to have a certain amount of elders in a meeting? Please don't tell me that the only men they are allowed to be alone with are elders?

Oh and by the way, when we had an intervention with her, they told her she's an adult. . so she can call the police.

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Mr. Flipper Talks with Bethel Legal Service Desk Rep About JW Child Abuse

by flipper in

well - i had been wanting to do this for a long time , to question a legal department representative at bethel about the child abuse settlements and jw child abuse, since last year when the news came out about it.

especially since my dad , an elder for years was never aware of it and has on his own taken steps to see that families with children are informed if a former pedophile is in their congregation.

i was curious as to what the current views and policies in place are .

Praying4Justice

Good for you, Mr. Flipper, and thanks for the support from a previous post. I wish you luck as well with your daughters.

Taking action, whether it be calling, writing or talking to them even though we know how they will respond is something we must continue to do. It's frustrating as heck to hear them respond like robots or watch the blank look on their faces while trying their hardest to tune us out, but we never know if something we say will trigger something in that person later on. Your call could have been the straw that broke the camel's back and that person you were talking to might actually find his strength to find out the real truth and get out!

Smiddy, I'm with you and the others on the pamphlets. Sign me up.

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HERE'S THE 2007 SERVICE YEAR REPORT

by Mary in

i'm not sure if this has been posted yet, so i took the liberty of scanning a copy.

here is the figures for the 2007 service year report.

interesting that over 9,000 partook at the memorial last year when the numbers should be going down.

Praying4Justice

True, 5go, Alaska's not on the 2007 report, but are on the 2006 report. Another good observation, and that would definitely explain an increase. The WT will do whatever it takes to play with the numbers in their favor.

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HERE'S THE 2007 SERVICE YEAR REPORT

by Mary in

i'm not sure if this has been posted yet, so i took the liberty of scanning a copy.

here is the figures for the 2007 service year report.

interesting that over 9,000 partook at the memorial last year when the numbers should be going down.

Praying4Justice

I didn't pick up on that Zico. . .why is Hawaii separate from the USA?!!

mcsemike. . .your entire comment. . .I second that!

Since the WT posts this report on their site, they have to continue doing so. They will do whatever it takes to fudge the figures to make it look good for the JWs who are reading it. They have to get some kind of encouragement to go on and hit the pavement day after day. They wouldn't want them to give up and feel like they're out there for nothing. What's so sad is that they look past the fact that with all those millions of hours knocking on doors, shouldn't there be so many more people believing what they're saying? If they, indeed, had "the truth", there would be millions more accepting them annually. And for as long as they've been doing this, most of the world would be on board by now! Any JWs reading this site, PLEASE do your own research. At the very least, read and study your bible and not the WT literature which is only mere man's interpretations!! Nothing else!

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How Jehovah's Witnesses Control Your Mind - Controlling Your View of Truth

by flipper in

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friends

for those of you, newbies or perhaps others who haven't read steve hassan's book - " combatting cult mind control" here are some very important things to remember of how jehovah's witnesses and other " mind control" cults operate .

it may help you to understand some things to see how we were all faked out at one time in our lives.

hassan's book states , " in totalistic cults , the ideology is internalized as " the truth ", the only "map" of reality .

Praying4Justice

Thanks for the welcomes.

Mr. Flipper, I don't want to deceive you or anyone else here. . .I was never a Jehovah's Witness, but definitely a witness to the mind control and sneaky, lying, phony facade these people put up for the sake of the WT. I have been involved in all this for a few years now and have almost gone over the edge when my teenage daughter got baptized last year. I cannot and will not let this go until I get her out!

Two sayings come to mind. "Don't Judge a Book by its Cover" and "What You Don't Know Can't Hurt You". Well, it can, and it did when my blinders were ripped off and I witnessed what people tried to warn me about. When I heard the word cult, I thought the extreme, like Waco, etc. I now know differently. They may be subtle in their tactics, but they are just as destructive. I'm even more paranoid now after reading the posts about the kool-aid.

My daughter's best friend started recruiting her in school. If there are any kids right now reading this and someone in school (or anywhere else) is trying to talk to you about the Jehovah's Witness religion, PLEASE don't listen. Just tell that person in a nice way that you are not interested no matter how GREAT they make it sound. PLEASE! If you are curious about the religion, I beg you to go do your own research either on the internet, the library, or ask family and friends what they know about this religion. While doing your research, you will be better equipped with facts and a whole lot of knowledge and might even be able to help that person who is trying to mislead you.

I want to write so much more right now, but it's late, and it's bad enough I have a hard time sleeping when I think of these people. . .so

Bye for now~

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How Jehovah's Witnesses Control Your Mind - Controlling Your View of Truth

by flipper in

jw
friends

for those of you, newbies or perhaps others who haven't read steve hassan's book - " combatting cult mind control" here are some very important things to remember of how jehovah's witnesses and other " mind control" cults operate .

it may help you to understand some things to see how we were all faked out at one time in our lives.

hassan's book states , " in totalistic cults , the ideology is internalized as " the truth ", the only "map" of reality .

Praying4Justice

Hi Everyone! I have been reading this site just about every day for at least a year now, and I finally registered. Since this is my first reply, I'll make sure I'm doing this right before I share my story. In the meantime, I would like to thank you all for helping me get through a very rough time and especially for the laughs you've given me. Laughter definitely takes the edge off all the crying!!

Thanks again.