Posts by MOG

a post someone else made, just made me want to start a discussion on the ideas of aliens, people from other planets, etc and our ideas of god, jesus and angels/demons.. the first time i ever even thought about this on any real level was when i was taking a greek mythology course and we were talking about avatars and the like, at the very same time i was taking a philosophy course and started discussing "did god create man or did man create god".

it was during that semester that that a group of friends and i started having these very existential discussion which lead to some very interesting questions and dialogue.

i have never looked at things the same.. flash forward to about three and a half years ago and through a chain of events, i am in a room with people from nasa working on a grant proposal.

MOG

It could be...of course I always tell the wife that I KNOW that we arent the only beings (even outside the spirit realm). I can not see GOD creating only what is showing in the bible or visible to us..I believe a GOD will have many different types of beings similar or dissimilar to us..He wants worship, he wants children..I hope there more than this for us - I see GOD having a plan that we are not aware (seeing), for EVERYONE..I do believe that GOD knew Adam and Eve will sin, I do believe that he knew Satan will do what he did (heck Jesus - the son of God - knew Judas was going to betray)..If Jesus only came to save a few, then it will mean GOD failed to do what he sent Jesus for - to save ALL..

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$$$ How much do Bethelites get paid - Does it go up with inflation? $$$

by Witness 007 in

i remember my bethel friends trying to save every dollar...waiting for his "pay day" so we could go to the movies...but i don't remember how much it was per month, and how do you cope?

what do missionaries and specials get?

MOG

how about the MAIN MEN sitting on top in bethel? anyone have scoop an how much they make..I know Rutherford was pretty loaded and had fancy cars..

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Dress & Grooming for visiting Bethel. scans inside!!!!!11 LOL

by karvel in

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MOG

I dont blame that brother in the first picture smiling..

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dad called......

by atpeace in

ok, well i'm feeling horriable today.

dad called wanting to encourage me to attend the memorial.

hearing the sadness in his voice - i couldn't bear to tell him how i feel.

MOG

I left some 20 years ago as a teenager..Me and my dad (not close to my mom - divorced parents) lived together since the day I was born and then he converted over when I was like 6yo..My dad became very fanatical and raised in such a way that he never raised me as a son but as a PRODIGY in the spanish congregation, some years later at around 17yo, they wanted to name me a ministerial servant,which I kindly rejected - here the son of one of the most know spanish elders in the state - I was much too young much to foolish.

I love my dad with all my heart, but I was never him and never wanted to be him, like they say some people just have a wild spirit - that was me..From the age of 17-18/19, my dad constantly insulted me, put me down and drew comparison of other brothers who DID take it..I never budge but it hurt - what little pride and confidence I had was simply destroyed..I LEFT and I suffered, totally shun by my dad for 15 years or so after.

Its is through 2 things in my life that he has come around to start talking to me, one is my brother (youngest) who was born and raised and became what my dad wanted ME to be..At an early age my brother became an elder, early 20's, now in his late 20's, he has left..TOTALLY rebelled against the org and my dad - my dad has been constantly calling him since - ask me if he did that for me? NOPE, never called me, not even once - I never even went crazy after. He didnt contact me to tell me my grandfather had passed - I found out through a non-nonchalant conversation I was having with a friend who's mother is a JW at work..talk about pain...

The other thing is my grandmothers passing, knowing that he had made a mistake never telling me about my grandfathers. He finally contacted my sister to call me, we flew together. We spoke nothing about religion, just about my family. Its was nice..I forgive my dad in my heart..It doesnt take much to make me a happy son - just let me know you still care about me..

A few months ago, while I was driving and him in the car he said "I wish I would have done things differently"..this is how my dad say's his sorry - I needed to hear him admit that for a change.

My last conversation with my dad a few weeks ago touched up on religion. We started with my brother and that my dad THINKS he might be going back - we'll see - alot of bad things happened to him outside the family that NOW he is addressing..I feel for him. So he tells me "I hope one day you will go back to the truth". I told my dad "dad I will never go back" and let me tell you why...Now I ma not going in to this detail but at the end - my dad was surprised how much I knew about the bible, how much I knew about the organization and their forefathers - and the only thing we closed out with was him saying "I dont care about their past, I still love Jehovah and I hope you can respect my views and I will with yours"..I hope this will be the end of mixing our relationship with religion

I have never been closer in my heart with GOD than I am now..I just started reading the bible 6 months ago - and I LOVE IT..

I hope I have given you all hope..If my dad could come around to an understanding - then I have to believe anyone else can. My dad was the roughest MOFO Elder I know - he is a little CAESAR

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I hate the Watchtower but I really still hate the Trinity Jesus is NOT God!

by Witness 007 in

some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!

the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.

now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..

MOG

Surely, if the words of Psalm 45:6, 7 and Hebrews 1:8 can be applied to David, they can be applied to Jesus. But this certainly does not mean that either David or Jesus is the only true God. The Father is the only unique or "true" God.

AGREED

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I hate the Watchtower but I really still hate the Trinity Jesus is NOT God!

by Witness 007 in

some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!

the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.

now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..

MOG

testing..?

I was expecting..YOUR CLEVER..hahahah..thanks..

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I hate the Watchtower but I really still hate the Trinity Jesus is NOT God!

by Witness 007 in

some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!

the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.

now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..

MOG

Press on the yellow next to the red A then cover your mouse over what you want to copy then paste ,( it will all go yellow,if you can understand that your clever

testing..

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I hate the Watchtower but I really still hate the Trinity Jesus is NOT God!

by Witness 007 in

some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!

the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.

now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..

MOG

Can someone tell me how to add EXCERPTS from other people within my response.. PLEASE