Posts by gumby

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How would witnesses respond to this quote?

by gumby in

1991. watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.

publishers.

watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. international bible students association.

gumby

Mouthy.....so you've been squeelin on me to Jehovah have ya? I hope you didn't tell him I had a habit of using the word nutsack all the time or he ain't never gonna forgive me. Hey, I've been reading "The Case for a Creator" if'n it makes ya feel any better.

Annie,

What a stupid way to treat people and what a stupid mentality they exhibit. Rather than incur the wrath of any elders or gossipy sisters who might [gasp] see them talking to someone, they take the leap that all others are automatically living lives of sin. It's that "we are superior to you" attitude that gripes me so much.

I think it's this attitude that gripes all of us. They exclude all of mankind from any hope of salvation despite the fact that many people are good, loving, caring, sincere, and have the same love that the witness boast of......except for their love isn't "conditional" as are the witnesses love for others.

When you don't allow people into your group for non conformance to a strict set of rules and beliefs that they have.....it gives people an abrasive attitude toward you.....just like the WTBTS has toward them by most people who know of them well.

Gumby

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WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO STOP SHUNNING?

by Mary in

jw
friends

i feel really angry and upset.

a good friend of mine is going through hell because they are being shunned by their children and grandchildren.

their sin?

gumby

This is SUCH horseshit, it's not even funny....Jesus ATE with the harlots and the tax collectors. This is one of the things He did that pissed the Pharisees off. Mark 2: 15-16 says: "...And as he reclined at table in his house, many tax collectors and sinners were reclining with Jesus and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16 And the scribes of [ the Pharisees, when they saw that he was eating with sinners and tax collectors, said to his disciples, "Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?"
Jesus Himself did not shun people "of the nations". Is the WTS suggesting that Witnesses should follow the example of the Pharisees instead of Jesus? Apparently so, since they demand that the R&F shun anyone who questions the religion.

Good points Mary......however the witnesses excuse for Jesus reclining with these ones would be that these ones were following Jesus and putting their faith in him....hence he reclined with them because their hearts were pure....unlike the other tax collectors and harlots that didn't follow him. Their reasoning is Jesus didn't make it a practice to hang with unrepentant sinners.....only sinners who were following him and changed their way of life.

If Jesus would not had compassion for these ones, they no doubt would not have had any intrest in following him as they would have felt too guilty to approach him. It's sad the Organisation doesn't follow this same pattern as Jesus in reaching out to lost ones...instead, they call on homes of people who show an intrest in their message that their organisation has taught them......not the message Jesus taught. If someone is a christian that they call on and these ones refuse their offer of literature, they are a goatlike one and are not marked down on their list of who to call back on.

Gumby

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WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO STOP SHUNNING?

by Mary in

jw
friends

i feel really angry and upset.

a good friend of mine is going through hell because they are being shunned by their children and grandchildren.

their sin?

gumby

Lesterd, hit the nail on the head. If the government stepped in they would just demonise the governments stance and "obey god as ruler rather than men".

With articles like the one below, they will be programmed to continue in their path.

Kingdom Ministry August 2002 pp.3-4 Display Christian Loyalty When a Relative Is Disfellowshipped ***

Display Christian Loyalty When a Relative Is Disfellowshipped

1 The bond between family members can be very strong. This brings a test upon a Christian when a marriage mate, a child, a parent, or another close relative is disfellowshipped or has disassociated himself from the congregation. (Matt. 10:37) How should loyal Christians treat such a relative? Does it make a difference if the person lives in your household? First, let us review what the Bible says on this subject, the principles of which apply equally to those who are disfellowshipped and to those who disassociate themselves.

2 How to Treat Expelled Ones: God's Word commands Christians not to keep company or fellowship with a person who has been expelled from the congregation: "Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. . . . Remove the wicked man from among yourselves." (1 Cor. 5:11, 13) Jesus' words recorded at Matthew 18:17 also bear on the matter: "Let [the expelled one] be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector." Jesus' hearers well knew that the Jews of that day had no fraternization with Gentiles and that they shunned tax collectors as outcasts. Jesus was thus instructing his followers not to associate with expelled ones.--See The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, pages 18-20.

3 This means that loyal Christians do not have spiritual fellowship with anyone who has been expelled from the congregation. But more is involved. God's Word states that we should 'not even eat with such a man.' (1 Cor. 5:11) Hence, we also avoid social fellowship with an expelled person. This would rule out joining him in a picnic, party, ball game, or trip to the mall or theater or sitting down to a meal with him either in the home or at a restaurant.

4 What about speaking with a disfellowshipped person? While the Bible does not cover every possible situation, 2 John 10 helps us to get Jehovah's view of matters: "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him." Commenting on this, The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, page 25, says: "A simple 'Hello' to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowshiped person?"

Gumby

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How would witnesses respond to this quote?

by gumby in

1991. watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.

publishers.

watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. international bible students association.

gumby

Granny....you wicked 'ol woman.....get yourself back to the kingdom hall and start worshipping Jehovah....ya hear!!!!!!

Hiya Granny

Last Sunday the scripture was read concerning.......... "but lord, whom shall we go away to, you have the savings of everlasting life".....and every comment during the watchtower study applied it to the organisation rather than Christ. If they could read scripture without Watchtower glasses on, they would see they don't need to go anywhere other than to Christ, but they continue to equate god and Jesus to their organisation.

byw.....don't forget me in your e-mails or I'm gonna woop ya.

Gumby

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Need marital advice

by lost_light06 in

jw
friends

i need some serious advice.

i just found out my wife has been emailing some guy she met at her work.

she gave him her cell # and said she wanted to get together and connect.

gumby

To me it sounds like you already lost your wife on at least one level. Theres lots of fish in the sea. People dont like change but sometimes its forced on us. Good luck.

Jaguarbass,

He said he loves his wife...so why a need to find another fish in the sea? He can try and repair something that broke.... and if it cannot be fixed, then he can go fishin if he wants to.

Gumghandi

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Universe Bigger and Older Than We Thought

by Big Dog in

astronomers crunch numbers, universe gets bigger

columbus , ohio that intergalactic road trip to triangulum is going to take a little longer than you had planned.. an ohio state university astronomer and his colleagues have determined that the triangulum galaxy, otherwise known as m33, is actually about 15 percent farther away from our galaxy than previously measured.. kris stanek.

this finding implies that the hubble constant, a number that astronomers rely on to calculate a host of factors -- including the size and age of the universe -- could be significantly off the mark as well.. that means that the universe could be 15 percent bigger and 15 percent older than any previous calculations suggested.. the astronomers came to this conclusion after they invented a new method for calculating intergalactic distances, one that is more precise and much simpler than standard methods.

gumby

Now now now.....the dubbies never said the universe was 6000 years old. They said the creative days were 7000 years long each...but that the earth and heavens have been here much longer.

" In the beggining, god created the heavens and the earth"

Gumby.....celebrated scholar and watchtower apologist cuz he believes Jehovahs gonna kill Funkyderek!!!!!

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Need marital advice

by lost_light06 in

jw
friends

i need some serious advice.

i just found out my wife has been emailing some guy she met at her work.

she gave him her cell # and said she wanted to get together and connect.

gumby

She was really upset with me 8 mo's ago when i told her I didn't believe the "truth" anymore. We have 2 young kids together and I truly love her so,
She only first emailed this guy 2 days ago but she has twice asked to connect with him and I think she has called him or text messaged him.

Well, Delilah beat me to the punch. If she has grown distant from you because you left the organisation.....and if she is now a married woman seeking to meet a wordly man ( unless the meetup is with a fellow dub which I doubt ), then she needs to see her sin is as equal as yours is...... at least in her eyes. She felt you left Jehovah and she is leaving him also in doing this.

What gave you reason to suspect her private mails were suspicious if you don't mind saying.

Gumby

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How would witnesses respond to this quote?

by gumby in

1991. watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.

publishers.

watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. international bible students association.

gumby

Hey Luna and delilah...by the time my post finally posted, you two already had said stuff.

Yes, I agree it depends on the atmosphere of a kingdom hall as far as how rules are followed and applied.....especially if any Elder is lax and he has a great influence on the others.

So much for the society's claim of being united in their worship and practices, worldwide....

Boy ain't that the truth.....witnesses will even tell you that congregations differ from one place to the next as to strictness.

Hey KYW13....see there, you prayed to Jehovah and the gang came back. Now where's that damn Unclebruce?

Gumby

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How would witnesses respond to this quote?

by gumby in

1991. watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.

publishers.

watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. international bible students association.

gumby

Dang....looks like me bein a crybaby about lack of posts payed off Me thinks I'm gonna complain more now.

Mary said,

Gumby.......who wonders how come he only got 12 replies so far

Cause you didn't post it under "Friends" silly. That always gets the most hits as that's where 90% of the people on here spend the majority of the time.

So that's it eh? You damn apostates don't appreciate the more spiritual things such as "Beliefs and Doctrines" and ya just like ta talk about wordly stuff on the" friends " threads.....k, I see now how all of ya are. Your all gonna burn in hell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FF,

In an organization that doesn't remotely resemble anything "normal" all it takes is a single word to give them all the leeway they want to do whatever they please at any particular moment.

How true. Yes, the society has always been top notch at their word usage. Just like in the "Voting" article. 6 times they said it was up to a person conscience in that article.... yet the jist of the article was demonising anyone who would vote. Gill, As you say, a family shouldn't let the dictates of this organisation keep them away from their families....but unfortunately this organisation has not only a hold on their minds....but also their hearts. Linabean....welcome to the forum.

Hi, I knew of this guideline. Maybe my hall is more lenient, but I don't have the attitude that you can't talk at all to df'd ones and especially not if there family. I think some people choose to make there own rules about this subject and push them on others....

Glad you are not of that mindset Linabean.....that's great. My family will at least talk to me but no socializing is allowed, so I'm grateful for that. Actually, the rules of the society towards DFed ones is to not even say a greeting to them and to not have any contact with them unless it's absolutely neccesary......they haven't changed their standing on this. Luckily, there are SOME witnesses who do not abide by this rule....but even these will sometimes apply it when they are seen by fellow witnesses such as at the kingdom hall. Ky 13 and Juni....thanks for making excuses for me as to why people didn't post much on this thread and not tellin me it's because I have yellow toenails cuz that always embarrasess the heck outta me. Gumfungatitis

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How would witnesses respond to this quote?

by gumby in

1991. watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.

publishers.

watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. international bible students association.

gumby

Mary said,

So even though she's never been DF'd, publically reproved or anything, her self-righteous sons have decided that she can no longer see the grandchildren because of her evil smoking and also because they found out she celebrates Christmas and birthdays. To me, this is ridiculous and disgusting behaviour on their part and they're no different than the Pharisees who put laws around The Law, yet they feel soooo much better that they've decided to "put Jehovah before family".

You'd think the family would use the loophole that since she isn't DFed, they would associate with her. Many dubs use the "law of the society" to their advantage when they can.....so it's sad that this family chooses to use their OWN law in this regard and withhold fellowshipping with her. This example you gave is a common one in which dubs will avoid those who slack off, become inactive, and are spritually weak in their eyes. This is a tool they use to force ones to tow the line as a witness. Guilt, fear, and cutting you off is their motto to make a strong christian witness out of you.

Gumby.......who wonders how come he only got 12 replies so far