What would be my reaction if the original Ten Words were found ?
The same as if Noah's Ark turns up:
IT'S A FAKE !!!!
Posts by wobble
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20What would be your reaction if the original ten commandments were found written in hieroglyphic
by Joey Jo-Jo inaccording to historians, the hebrew language came at a later date and there is strong evidence to support that the original writtings of moses were destroyed and and was re-writen by ezra.. remember that the account explains that moses became part of the egyption royal family, did he learn the arts of horus and others, the same with aaron, why was aaron quick to make a golden calf?
why did the people wanted to become like gods, and why when moses found out made them drink the golden calf?.
1 when the people saw that moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around aaron and said, come, make us gods[a] who will go before us.
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JW's who remain in the organisation but try to reform it - pissing against the wind
by jambon1 ini came across a website that presents decent argumentation against three main areas of jw doctrine.. http://jwreform.org/index.html.
who do these people think they are?
do they really believe that the wts will sit up and take notice of their objections?
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wobble
I agree with the wisdom of that quote DS, or to put it more crudely in modern parlance, ;
" It's no good trying to reform a crock of s**t, reform it is as much as you like, you're still left with a crock of s**t !" or:
"You cannot polish a turd"
Hence the thread title is spot on.
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I spend a few hours in rehab...
by Terry inhe was recruited, sort of, when his church (unity) was queried if they had somebody who could.
god is love.
feel love instead of hate for that person who wronged you.
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wobble
May I add my thanks, well writtten and illuminating as usual. Thanks.
Dubs comment "When we give to others we always get more in return" was so true.
I was told this in similar words as a teenager by the "Congregation Servant" as they were known then, he told me that true religion was about that , and that only, helping others. Of course he believed that part of that was to help people to be JW's.
His words and example shaped the way I practiced being a JW, and as I did get "more in return", it kept me mistakenly in for far too long.
I still get "more in return" when I give of myself in some way now, with no religious connection whatsoever.
If that healing good feeling comes from God then praise be to Him/Her, but I do not believe it does.
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JW's who remain in the organisation but try to reform it - pissing against the wind
by jambon1 ini came across a website that presents decent argumentation against three main areas of jw doctrine.. http://jwreform.org/index.html.
who do these people think they are?
do they really believe that the wts will sit up and take notice of their objections?
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wobble
There is a distinct similarity between the way they operate now and Cold War eastern bloc Communist regimes.
They should learn from the demise of these, once people have seen enough over the wall, they tear down the (Berlin) wall, and the regime topples, some of the old guard hang on to power, but only a few.
With the Internet giving many people that look over the wall, they need to reform big time, or be ousted.
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Newbie want's to say hi
by Adso injust wanted to say hi and thanks to everyone that has posted their stories and comments.
i was df'ed a few months ago now and reading this forum has helped out heaps.
based on that i wanted to contribute in the hope that my experiences resonate with someone and help with the healing proccess the way it's helped me.
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wobble
BIG WELCOME ADSO !
Thanks for telling your story, I hope everything just gets better for you now, cherish and use your freedom, all the best mate.
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In response to Standfirm's comment about the two witness rule.
by life is to short instandfirm told me thatl.
ife is to short,.
the jw organization says that two witnesses to separate acts of wrongdoing are acceptable for someone to be df'ed.. "if there is another witness to the same type of sin on the part of the accused, this would be basis for forming a judicial committee.
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wobble
THE BORG PROTECTS PAEDOPHILES AND THERE IS NO JUSTICE FOR THE VICTIMS.
That is worth repeating.
The Borg has no proper programme in force to stop it happening either.
The JW/WT RELIGION DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE VULNERABLE.
It only cares about covering up the extent of the paedophile problem, and not getting sued.
HEARTLESS BASTARDS !
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Have Jehovah's Witnesses (The WTBTS) taken the Best Years of your life?
by Hairyhegoat inhaving been a born in for 44 years i can say yes to this question.
my 2 sisters and 1 brother and my dad have nothing to do with my family now we have made our stand against the jw's.
i was always downtrodden at school for been a jw.
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wobble
I'm so glad I left when I did, I am now entering my second childhood, and boy is this going to be one Wild Child !
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Refuting Franz's Crisis of Conscience
by irondork ini'm about halfway through crisis of conscience.
some pretty extraordinary stuff in there.. wondering, aside from telling people not to read "apostate material", has there been any official denial or refutation of the books contents by the watchtower society, official or otherwise?.
side note: franz is a wonderful writer, if a bit repetitive in places.
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wobble
The silence is deafening, and simply means that every part of his books is spot on and true, you can bet your life if the WT had any way to show just one bit was wrong they would have been all over that like a rash. To show one error is enough for the average numb-nuts witness to dismiss a whole tome, the WT could not, so have been silent for nearly thirty years.
Their silence on Ray's books means they have no moral right to be loud and pontificating in other areas.
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Y'all are famous!
by Mickey mouse ini had a first session with a counsellor today.
when i told her the nature of my problems, she told me about this great online forum for jws...... ...seems like i'm not the first jw she's seen!.
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wobble
Good luck Mickey and Mr MM !
We are all here for you too, it is hard, the initial dealing with family, much depends on them, my lot decided that whatever, they would not precipitate my being DA'd or Df'd, they had a family conference first, before they spoke to me,bless em ! How funny is that ?
The result has been that I have been able to explain my position, without fear they would repeat my words to Nazi Elders. So I am just an "inactive" non-attender, they never talk religion with me now, but that suits me, the whole situation suits me.
I hope you achieve whatever you want too.
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THE HEBREW LANGUAGE
by lepavoux inin english we read from left to right, but in hebrew they read from right to left.. now the tetragrammaton yhwh (yahweh) we read god's name in the english from left to right,but is this correct?
should we not be reading the name from right to left?
if we did this the pronunciation would it not be in the opposite direction?
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wobble
The WT have got the pronunciation right, it is Jehoober.