Posts by wobble

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VAT 4956 - Comparison Of The Lunar Three Time Intervals For Years 568/7 BCE and 588/7 BCE

by AnnOMaly in

vat 4956 - comparison of the lunar three time intervals for years 568/7 b.c.e.

the online sky view cafe (svc) and the cartes du ciel* (cdc) astronomy programs have been used for these results.. observer's location: babylon, 32 33' n / 44 24' e.. sr = sunrise; ss = sunset; mr = moonrise; ms = moonset.. .

svc's range of difference between its results and that of the text, when a time interval could be taken, is 1.75 to 6.5. average difference 3.5.. cdc's range of difference between its results and that of the text, when a time interval could be taken, is 0.75 to 8.5. average difference 4. .

wobble

George, they are laughing all the way to the Bank, lets hope they pick a Bank that fails.

They are cynical enough to know that the average Dub will swallow what they have written and believe the whole subject is done and dusted, they have spread so much Bull S**T over the matter that no JW is going to unravel it, or even touch it.

They opened the can of worms because so many derisory comments were appearing on line about their claim to be God's Org based on this 607BCE trash, that they needed to counter these.

Now they can say "The Faithful Slave has dealt with this matter, are you saying you know better than them ?"

Any R&F JW will be cowed by the fear of being DF'd in to not looking any further at the question,then the WT can carry on for years hoovering up the $$$.

Thanks to all for your hard work on this, any sincere JW who really wants to know the truth can be referred to this thread, Great Work , thanks.

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Autologous Blood Transfusion Jehovahs Witnesses

by Marvin Shilmer in

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autologous blood transfusion jehovahs witnesses.

today i uploaded a new article to my blog addressing watchtowers doctrinal position on transfusion of whole autologous blood.

what was once forbidden is no longer forbidden.

wobble

The blood doctrine always was a C of S Cantleave, no other religion interprets the relevant verses the way the WT does, which is why it was devised, to make them different ,and hence prove they alone had "light" from god.

It did/does not matter how many are martyred on the altar of their self importance.

Well done again Marvin ! You always spot the subtle nuances.

The really sinful and blasphemous part of even their present watered down doctrine, is that they keep bringing in bits from the Mosaic Law.

For example, though saying "current therapy" may cover some use of ones own blood, they insist that blood should be poured out "according to the Biblical law".

The N.T passage that they misinterpret, from Acts 15, to justify the whole stance, makes the point that "we add no further burden to you".

To bring back in part of the Mosaic Law is certainly adding a burden to JW's today, and there is simply no justification for so doing, rather the opposite, "no further burden" is an injunction, from the "Holy Spirit",( see the verse in Acts) against so doing.

To be consistent, as the "pouring out" was part of the Mosaic Law, they must bring back in all the rest of the Law, no more Bacon Sandwiches at Bethel then.

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Shunning,, let's twist the knife in a little deeper now !

by man in black in

this morning i took my dog who is a therapy dog over to the hospital and visited with several patients.

it is quite an experience, and it really helps people undergoing medical treatment to calm down and relax.. my wife was one of those patients, she is undergoing some tests before getting her gall bladder removed which will probably be sometime tomorrow.. afterwards i took the dog home, cleaned her up, and changed my clothes.

since i was alone i drove over to panara to try one of their breakfast sandwiches, several of the nurses told me that they are pretty good.

wobble

M.I.B all the best to your wife ! Life will get better without that galling bladder !

My wife wants to get rid of certain unecessary things, I am first on her list I think !

I have decided to "shun" the Dubs sometimes now, depends who it is, but ones with certain qualities, i.e they will shun me if I don't get in first, I just appear not to notice as they hover on the periphery of my radar.

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Is the Watchtower stubbornly holding onto the 70 year exile figure within the Old Testament?

by sabastious in

i read outlaw's post about how he has watched people make an online career out of debating for and against arguments regarding 607 and 586 being the date of jerusalem's fall.

he's right that this has happened and it's had the nasty side effect of "mudding up the waters" so-to-speak in regards to anyone wishing to glean wisdom from these debates.. i am not a historian and when posts start getting overtly historical my reading of them seems to slow down and i find myself having to reread posts.. i am going to try to simply state each argument to see if i have put it together (correct me if i am wrong):.

the watchtower says that they default to the bible's figure of 70 years of jewish exile which is used more than once in the old testament.

wobble

As Doug Mason shows on other threads, they just made all this nonsense up with no backing whatsoever from scripture or history.

J.W's, wakeup and smell the B.S, I mean coffee.

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Question about 607/587

by drewcoul in

i am not an expert on this issue.

i have read and re-read information about it, but i guess i am somewhat dense when it comes to this topic.. my question is simple: the watchtower suggests that they believe the bible is the unerring word or god.

that it must be believed above anything else.

wobble

Thanks Doug for your succinct summary of the WT's woeful position on all this, it comes down to what most of their doctrine does, they just made it up with no justification from scripture or history.

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Necessary business with Disfellowshipped ones

by Quarterback in

i was reading our study article for next week's wt study there is a subheading in there about treatment of disfellowshipped ones.

in one paragraph they slam the term, "necessary business" when dealing with a family member who is df'd.. this is so confusing.

in one hand they have coined that phrase "necessary business" with relatives that have df relatives.

wobble

The usual mind-control technique, they know that most who love their family members have used the "necessary business" tag to cover just about any contact, and why the hell not ?

They are just trying to exercise more control, they know that many Dubs will now limit their contact with DF'd family to just what is truly necessary, of course the stronger minded will say "stuff you" to the GB and carry on as before.

They are a nasty vindictive cult, nobody can leave without pain, they make sure of that, the problem is that for some vulnerable ones who have been DF'd this can lead to depression and suicide, not that the heartless bastards who head the WT care one bit.

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Import / Export (Watchtower)

by TJ Curioso in

and now, a finding that intrigued me.. .

i always thought that the bulk of the publications come out of new york to other parts of the globe, if not produced in these last.

true?.

wobble

Gotta be something fishy about this.

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The End?

by lostandconfused in

growing up i remember always hearing, "the end will come when the preaching work is finished?".

then it was, "the end will come when there are no more annointed on earth".

now i hear it's when the "generation is gone" but oh wait...there's now new light about an "overlapping of 2 generations??".

wobble

Dear Awen's take on it was exactly mine when I was "in", I never preached, or thought about much, the End, just the need to serve God. To me the big A would have been (if it were real, which it isn't) just a hiccup in my service to God.

I must use AWen's last thought at the first opportunity to a JW:

"Of course, the End hasn't come yet because jehovah is waiting for the JW's to wake up spiritually !"

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How do you know when the Governing Body speaks for itself, and when it is supposed to speak for Jehovah?

by dgp in

in the catholic church, the pope is considered "infallible" when he speaks ex cathedra.

that is to say, he is not infallible when he speaks about things that don't have to do with religion.

for example, he may say whatever he pleases about economics, but no one will hold that catholic economists will have sinned against god if they consider that the pope is wrong.. the important point here is that the pope is thought to be infallible only when he speaks about matters strictly related to the church.. the wikipedia has this:.

wobble

You know when they are speaking for themselves, it is when their lips are moving.

No man , not even Jesus, spoke for god .

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The End?

by lostandconfused in

growing up i remember always hearing, "the end will come when the preaching work is finished?".

then it was, "the end will come when there are no more annointed on earth".

now i hear it's when the "generation is gone" but oh wait...there's now new light about an "overlapping of 2 generations??".

wobble

"The world shall end when the High Bridge is thrice fallen" Mother Shipton, 16th century prophetess.

The bridge in question is over the river Nidd and carries the busy A59 road, just outside the Yorkshire town of Knaresborough.

The bridge has fallen down twice already in its long history, so Mother Shipton is looking as though she will prove to be a better foreteller of events than the WT ever was or will be.

If you wish to go and wait by the bridge, the "World's End" Pub is nearby and you can sup some fine Yorkshire ales as you wait.