even though i was raised a witness, i was never convinced that the end would be in 1975 or even in my lifetime..
Yes , I believed . As for other posters above, it came as a shock to confront my own mortality.
Strangely, once I had done so, I found I was happier than before ! Part of the reason for that was , as I had stated for many years whilst still active as a JW, I did not want to live in their idea of paradise, that concept filled me with dread.
I am much happier living in the real world than some La La land of hope based on nothing but emotion.
we've all seen the line-by-line comparison of john 1:1 with the addition of "a god" when "was god" is visible in the left margin under "theos" in the infamous grimace/barney/grape crush purple bible book.
i'd check for myself, but unfortunately, i hastily rid my house of all things wt in a purging fit while beginning my fade.
and let me tell you, the fire was spectacular!
I think some arrogant smart -arse in the writing department thought he could use the words as he did with impunity.
As he was borrowing the words from the NWT he thought he would get away with using them directly against "Apostates"and others, to further demonise those who have left the WT to the R&F JW's.
As has been shown, Freddie Franz's use of the words in his "translation" is totally not justified. They do not convey the original thought of the Greek.
I wonder if Mad Freddie hoped they would be interpreted in the minds of readers as the Writing Dept used them, I would not put it past the old sod, enough of his NWT (Not Well Translated, for that, thanks to another poster) is filled with poor renderings deliberately designed to support his weird theology, perhaps this one was not just his inept grasp of the GK, but was deliberate.
may 30 for prayer and supplication.. .
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bangalore.
Intersting,Banga, it shows how Rutherford's mind was working, God had chosen the USofA as the chosen land for free religion to flourish, hence it was logical that the "Ancient Worthies" would be put there, and so later Rutherford bought Beth-Sarim for them.
He was actually deluded then, and not just a cynical business man ?
the wt study was always my favorite meeting as i could sit back and soak up all the unintelligent comments made by high school dropout pioneers or home learned children.
my favorite is when i would hear people make up their own words.
misunderestimate.
The one that always used to make my cringe-ometer spin was "mate" instead of partner or whatever for your better half.
I don't know if that is common usage in the U.S, but here in the U.K you would never hear the word used in that context, animals "mate" and have a mate.
I always thought it showed a generally derogatory view of a romantic relationship, as though the WT would rather all its members were single.
since leaving the organization 8 years ago, there have been more significant changes in the actual, physical activities of the organization than occurred in all the 40 plus years i was 'in'.
bethel closings.
bethel layoffs.
They have been playing a game of burying 1914 as much as possible,spelling out the old 2520 years doctrine in plain language has not been done for decades, but they have nothing to replace it with !
They believe that getting people to join is best done by a fear of judgement day, and that retaining existing drones is best done by the same fear, remove that fear, and what selling point do they have ?
The only way it will implode is if enough R&F get together and demand reform, their very own Arab Spring, the problem is I do not see that this is possible.
In the regimes that have recently toppled, or are in the process, there are a majority who see all that is wrong with their leaders,and are prepared to die for the sake of Freedom, in the WT the majority do not see anything wrong with the leadership, and only a few allow the doubts that lie deep in their minds to actually trouble them, Cognitive Dissonance and Cowardice rules.
i say pray for a cleansing of the gb.
period!
why should many leave if they still want to worship jehovah.
It occured to me when I finally walked away, that if there were a God, and He felt that the WT were claiming to represent Him, He would very soon give them far more than an enema.
It actually worried me to be still tenuously associated with them, in case I still got some of the flack when Big J sorted them, so I agonised about DA'ing officially.
I pretty soon came to the realisation that there is no God, and that the WT/JW Org. and religion really are not worth getting steamed up about, on the World scene they are just a fart in a thunderstorm.
i have no more steam, and no more passion.. i've run out of stuff to write about.
what is left to write about a religion that is so fucked up that everyting is already written about how fucked up they are?.
i don't think anyone can trump my article about berta and bonnie.
Farkel, I believe you have run out of stuff as much as I believe Mrs Wobble when she says "I'm not saying a word"...............wait for it, yes ! half a nano-second later her mouth moves and more than "a" word pops out !
I do empathise with how you are feeling, it is for us as it was for the great John Cleese, when asked why he no longer bothered to satirise the U.K Government he said, "You cannot satirise this lot, they have gone beyond that, they are beyond silly "
I like using that phrase about the WT/JDubs, they are "Beyond Silly"
was just checking the jw-media.org website and found this:.
http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article41.htm.
how we are organizedfollowing the model of first-century christianity, jehovahs witnesses have no clergy-laity division.
I wrote to the Independent pointing out that Fenton was lying by telling a half truth, and I quoted the latest "Flock" book instruction on forming a Judicial committee if JW's persited in not shunning those who have been DF'd.
A "personal decision" freely made,to shun or not ? Hardly.
Dubs know all this and enforce and practice shunning out of fear , not out of belief or loyalty, but fear that they will be DF'd too if they don't.
In all of this , Fenton ignored the main issue, the use of language to foment hatred, he didn't comment on the main point of the article,the "mentally diseased " phrase, trying to bury it in a discussion on DFing which he felt able to defend.
as elders we were told that tattoos were a no no!
because leviticus 19:28 says not......and jar hoover doesn't change according to micah.. the verse prior says not to cut your beard.. we have here typical wbt$ spin.
take one scripture literally and 'appeal to authority' ie.
These nit-picking rules were annoying, especially when they used the O.T as authority, just the bits that suited them of course, but the sad thing is they do the same thing with the Blood Doctrine, most of that comes from the O.T, and people die because of it.
Murdering bastards.
this from someone not on this board:.
hi guys,.
as i said yesterday, i am already in touch with the chief inspector of the diversity unit for thames valley police and i forwarded him the articles from the independent and the telegraph.
I wonder where Topix is based ? can they not be prosecuted for what they are allowing to be posted ? Fomenting hatred even on the Internet can be illegal in some countries.
